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Ali_gezer

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2021 5:57 pm
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Hello, how are you?
I see that in my work there are some commands like CBC that when you point to some copyfile it will be opened in another screen.

Is there a way to know what tso commands are available or created?

Thanks in advance.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2021 6:41 pm
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Is there a way to know what tso commands are available or created


the TSO commands descriptions are available in the TSO/E Command Reference manual

www-01.ibm.com/servers/resourcelink/svc00100.nsf/pages/zOSV2R3sa320975/$file/ikjc500_v2r3.pdf

the information for the commands of add on components will be a available in the relative manuals

for the home developed commands ask your support
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:10 pm
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enrico-sorichetti wrote:
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Is there a way to know what tso commands are available or created


the TSO commands descriptions are available in the TSO/E Command Reference manual

www-01.ibm.com/servers/resourcelink/svc00100.nsf/pages/zOSV2R3sa320975/$file/ikjc500_v2r3.pdf

the information for the commands of add on components will be a available in the relative manuals

for the home developed commands ask your support


Thanks for answer.
I need the home developed commands and I see throug your words that the only way is someone of my company giving me this info.
Is there no any command or way to get this home developed commands?
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Is there no any command or way to get this home developed commands?

no unless your organisation wrote one ..

AGAIN ..
ASK YOUR SUPPORT OR YOUR COLLEAGUES
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Pedro

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2021 10:15 pm
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It would be good practice to add help text to the SYSHELP DD concatenation. But for local commands, good practice is rarely followed.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2021 1:09 am
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Pedro is absolutely correct. All too often locally added TSO commands are not documented in SYS1.HELP or any library in the SYSHELP concatenation, or in the command list displayed when you just enter HELP with no operands.

You can usually find IBM's commands just entering HELP with no operands. In the more recent z/OS releases the commands in this list are grouped by their function.

You can get more information about IBM commands by entering

HELP command
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Ali_gezer

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2021 2:48 am
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steve-myers wrote:
Pedro is absolutely correct. All too often locally added TSO commands are not documented in SYS1.HELP or any library in the SYSHELP concatenation, or in the command list displayed when you just enter HELP with no operands.

You can usually find IBM's commands just entering HELP with no operands. In the more recent z/OS releases the commands in this list are grouped by their function.

You can get more information about IBM commands by entering

HELP command


Thanks, and knowing the name of one created tso command I can find the library where this created command is located?
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I can find the library where this created command is located?

Try using TSO ISRDDN command, followed by MEMBER mycmd command
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add help text to the SYSHELP DD concatenation

I was suggesting to look at SYSHELP DD statement for documentation, but if you just want to poke around and see what is in your environment, I suggest TSO ISRDDN and just see what data sets are allocated to you when you log on. You can view the data sets and see the member names.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2021 8:51 pm
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Pedro wrote:
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add help text to the SYSHELP DD concatenation

I was suggesting to look at SYSHELP DD statement for documentation, but if you just want to poke around and see what is in your environment, I suggest TSO ISRDDN and just see what data sets are allocated to you when you log on. You can view the data sets and see the member names.


Thanks, I can see here that pressing the command isrddn I can see lot of libraries. Are you telling me that here in one of this libraries the tso command created here in my company is located?

Thanks again.
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The MEMBER command in ISRDDN will not find a member in the link list; it only finds members in the data sets allocated to your TSO session.

CBT tape "file" 1016 has a number of TSO commands; its FINDCMD will find a "command" in the LPA, MLPA, the link list and the libraries in your regular search order as well as SYSPROC and SYSEXEC.
Code:
findcmd asma90                 
 ASMA90 IN LINKLIST ASM.SASMMOD1
 READY                         
findcmd e                       
 E IN LINKLIST SYS1.CMDLIB     
 READY
ASMA90 is not a TSO "command," E is a TSO "command."
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2021 1:21 am
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Actually the LINKLIST command in ISRDDN will create 2 new pseudo ddnames LINKLIST and LPALIB.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2021 1:26 am
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though just from the name you cannot tell if a program is a TSO command - and your systems people might not be pleased if you start poking around in the link- and lpalists.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2021 2:54 am
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Are you telling me that here in one of this libraries the tso command created here in my company is located?

Not necessarily. But it is a good place to look.

For example, your site could have panels that explicitly execute something out of a library:
Code:
EXEC 'our.pds(mymembr)'


fyi. It is hard to tell the difference between TSO commands and other programs. You probably cannot tell the difference by looking at a load module.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2021 5:16 pm
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The TSO commands and Edit Macros written in house would likely be found in the concatenation for SYSPROC or SYSEXEC (while doing TSO ISRDDN).

If it is concatenated to your TSO session, there is no reason you can't 'poke around'. If you have access to execute the command, you should be able to poke. Be sure to choose 'V' option to view. You may be able to update one of those datasets.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2021 7:13 pm
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daveporcelan wrote:
If it is concatenated to your TSO session, there is no reason you can't 'poke around'.

If you have too many violations while poking around, your Id might get suspended.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2021 7:20 pm
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Joerg,

You may be correct about that, however if a dataset is concatenated to your user id by the logon proc, you surely have access to it, thus no violations.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2021 9:14 pm
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Why hasn't anyone mentioned ISPF option 3.9, every site should nowadays have separated out its SITE (and/or USER) command table(s) from the IBM supplied ones...
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2021 9:38 pm
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Prino,

From my experience, most in-house Rexx execs are never entered as a 'command' in the command table.

I have found them difficult to work with/share.

Entering TSO myrexx will search the SYSPROC or SYSEXEC concatenation looking for the program. No command table entry necessary.
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