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dejunzhu
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In my shop, DB2 has been installed, but some preparations are needed before application can run smoothly.
So, can anybody please give me a guide on how to setup the environment for DB2 application?
I will apprecaite it very much if you can provide me some redbook or material on this.
THanks in advance. |
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enrico-sorichetti
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is this the first db2 installation in that shop ?
the whole shebang for establishing a development environment
is not something people will be happy to share with You on a forum,
for two main reasons
the complexity of the task
the work done by each one of us to acquire that knowledge
and ...
setting up a complete and well oiled development environment is a task for an hefty consulting contract
BTDTGTTS ( did not get the tee shirt/the money, just a silver plate )
also the title does not completely agree with
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| ... but some preparations are needed before application can run smoothly. |
whatever <thing/environment> will be used, having applications run smoothly needs preparation and planning
some question to ask
what change management tool will be used
what will be the promotion and deployment process
how will the production data be processed to get the test data
( f the customer is a financial institution and maybe anyway , all the data except the one used for system certification must be obfuscated )
and so on and so on ... |
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dick scherrer
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Hello,
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| but some preparations are needed before application can run smoothly. |
There is no book or manual that will tell you how to configure for smoothly. Also, this is ongoing. As discoveries are made, adjustments will have to be made.
As you have been told many, many times, your organization needs an experienced DB2 dba. . . |
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dejunzhu
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hi, dick,
I am trying to play the DBA's role. As the company cannot offer too much salary, no DBA will come. If I can get the task done, the company no longer need to hire a new DBA, which is a great save of budget. |
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dick scherrer
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Hello,
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| I am trying to play the DBA's role. |
Yes, several of us are quite aware of this.
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| As the company cannot offer too much salary, |
Nonsense. . . If the company wants a reasonable implementation they will pay to build and support it.
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| If I can get the task done, the company no longer need to hire a new DBA, which is a great save of budget. |
Look at how long this has been going on and "the company" has not even provided proper dba training. There is no "great saving" if the environment will not support the needed processing. . . |
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GuyC
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A good dba is worth every penny 
Without our team, this company would consume at least 20% more MSU. |
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Akatsukami
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| dejunzhu wrote: |
| I am trying to play the DBA's role. As the company cannot offer too much salary, no DBA will come. If I can get the task done, the company no longer need to hire a new DBA, which is a great save of budget. |
That is an excellent summary of everything wrong with outsourcing. |
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Robert Sample
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IBM has installation manuals that come with each software release and the installation manuals are excellent guidelines as to how to set up the software environment. If you cannot find the DB2 installation manual for your site, then you're probably going to be out of luck as far as setting up an environment -- unless you can hire a consultant.
There are times when paying the cost for consultants is vastly cost effective. The situation you are describing sounds like one of those. |
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dejunzhu
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hi, enrico,
thanks for your kind reply.
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is this the first db2 installation in that shop ?
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Yes, it is.
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what change management tool will be used
what will be the promotion and deployment process
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We are planning to buy Changeman, and the promotion/deployment process will be implemented by changeman.
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how will the production data be processed to get the test data
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we have not decided it yet. Hope you can provide me some valuable suggestions according to your experience. |
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dejunzhu
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If you cannot provide me some guide or sample proposal, then please just give me some considering points on this.
thanks. |
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dejunzhu
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| Robert Sample wrote: |
IBM has installation manuals that come with each software release and the installation manuals are excellent guidelines as to how to set up the software environment. If you cannot find the DB2 installation manual for your site, then you're probably going to be out of luck as far as setting up an environment -- unless you can hire a consultant.
There are times when paying the cost for consultants is vastly cost effective. The situation you are describing sounds like one of those. |
hi, Robert,
Thanks for your suggestion.
I've scanned the DB2 installation guide, it seems that the guide just provides the process of installing DB2.
Now, DB2 has been installed in our shop,what I need to do is just establishing the DB2 environment for applications.
Unfortunately, perhaps my boss has no intention to hire a consultant. |
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dick scherrer
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Hello,
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| I've scanned the DB2 installation guide, it seems that the guide just provides the process of installing DB2. |
Why would anyone expect the installation manual to do something else?
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| Now, DB2 has been installed in our shop, |
If the "installers" were not people who knew how to install/configure db2, it may have to be re-installed. . .
The same concerns exist for Changeman. Whoever installs and supports Changeman (or Endevor or any other such product) needs to understand configuration management and how they intend to manage this environment. . . |
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enrico-sorichetti
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again a forum is not the place for a long term questions and answers sessions !
( AKA consultancy  )
establishing a proper Development environment and provide for smooth processing is not related just to DB2
it the 90% of the technicalities involved when starting a software develpment company
meditate on Your organization intellectual/organizational/financial/... capabilities/resources
for tackling complex projects, which given the premises are unfortunately bound to fail or at least be very painful
and beware about the personal career issues in being involved in such activities
I am worried about Your poor understanding of things
when I asked
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| what will be the promotion and deployment process |
You gave the simplycistic reply ... changeman
that' not the reply that would be expected from an IT professional
changeman is not a process ... is the low level tool
did You consider the administrative issues
- setting the standards
- auditing the results
- quality control
- ....
- who does what ( people ... people )
and if Your organization is tight on money why waste it on buying a change management tool.
SCLM is there is free and if properly I mean properly customized it will provide the most cost effective solution
and I can tell that from experience
the bad impact You had from SCLM was not SCLM fault ... meditate on it
also consider that long range projects need a continuos and consistent feed of information ( and You cannot expect that on a forum ) and unified approach , not a speckled one
As usually You did not completely understand my initial answer
remember answering is
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FREE OF CHARGE
and to give proper answers to issues like this one
PUTS TOO MUCH STRAIN ON OUR RESOURCES,
and please, please no whining 
this is a mild form of cease and desist, no reason to whack bushes for nothing |
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