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Virendra Shambharkar
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Hi,
If we reduce the CPU time and run time by the same does the % of MIPS consumed by the job remain the same?
Say a Job runs for 10 hours and take 1 hour of CPU and we reduce the job run time to 5 hours and CPU time to 0.5 hours the MIPS consumed by the Job are the same?
Any information on this will be of great help.
Thanks in advance.
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Robert Sample
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| If we reduce the CPU time and run time by the same does the % of MIPS consumed by the job remain the same? |
No, because:
1. MIPS is a measurement of MACHINE capacity and hence cannot be applied to individual jobs.
2. Since MIPS is a measurement of MACHINE capacity, the ONLY way to change the MIPS is to change the machine -- get a larger machine for more, get a smaller machine for less.
3. MIPS is a concept that really makes very little sense these days -- how do you apply million instructions per second (which is what MIPS stands for) to a z13 with 140 processors, some of which are CP, some are zIIP, some are SAP, some are IFL, some are ICF?
For your example, 10 hours is 36,000 seconds and 1 hour of CPU is 3,600 seconds while 5 hours is 18,000 seconds and 1/2 hour of CPU is 1,800 seconds. You have reduced overall CPU consumption of the job by half, but the workload on the system is, most likely, the same since the job still needs 10% of a processor for the elapsed time. |
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Rohit Umarjikar
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steve-myers
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As the link in Mr. Umarjikar's post explains "MIPS" for a single job is sort of meaningless. There are two, and only two, ways to alter this. Neither one is very realistic.- Change to a machine that can execute the instructions in your program at a different rate.
- Change your program to use instructions that execute at a different rate. By definition that will change the program's "MIPS."
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Robert Sample
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Note that 1 MSU = 6 MIPS is specific to a machine type; the ratio varies by machine (IIRC, the z13 is more like 1 MSU = 8 MIPS). Furthermore, Wikipedia has some good comments about the practicality of MSU:
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A million service units (MSU) is a measurement of the amount of processing work a computer can perform in one hour. The term is most commonly associated with IBM mainframes. It reflects how IBM rates the machine in terms of charging capacity. The technical measure of processing power on IBM mainframes, however, are Service Units per second (or SU/sec).
One “service unit” originally related to an actual hardware performance measurement (a specific model’s instruction performance). However, that relationship disappeared many years ago as hardware and software evolved. MSUs are now like other common (but physically imprecise) measurements, such as “cans of coffee” or “tubes of toothpaste.” (Cans and tubes can vary in physical size depending on brand, market, and other factors. Some coffee cans contain 500 grams and others 13 ounces, for example.)
Most mainframe software vendors use a licensing and pricing model in which the customers are charged per MSU consumed (i.e. the number of operations the software has performed) in addition to hardware and software installation costs.[1] Others charge by total MSU system capacity. Thus, while MSU is an artificial construction, it does have a direct financial implication. In fact, software charges are why the MSU measurement exists at all. |
Service units are maintained for CPU, I/O, SRB, and memory (storage) -- so 1 MSU may not relate very closely to CPU usage.
Yes, the term "MIPS" gets used a lot -- and most of the time, the usage is incorrect. The number is easy to understand, even though it has almost no meaning these days. |
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vasanthz
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| One MSU = 6 Mips (here MSU and Mips represent a consumption speed, not an accumulated consumption). So a job that constantly uses 10 MSU (as displayed by monitors) uses 60 Mips. |
I think this information is too generic and wrong. Every machine has its own soft MSU to MIPS conversion. Cheryl Watson CPU charts are reliable for this information.
And for the original question,
If you are trying to justify your resource saving effort to management. Then just go by saying your effort reduced CPU time & elapsed time and the service units the job consumed. |
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Rohit Umarjikar
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| I think this information is too generic and wrong. |
On what basis you say it wrong? It concur Robert's statement, This is the stats given by Site support which I cut down to what is needed but has much more, so TS may have one at site, He has to get talking to people. These machines we have for few systems
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2964-708 z13 8.3
2964-709 z13 8.3 |
in general.
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Model Common Name MIPS/SW MSU
2964-701 z13 8.1
2964-702 z13 8.1
2964-703 z13 8.1
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2964-705 z13 8.2
2964-706 z13 8.2
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| If you are trying to justify your resource saving effort to management. Then just go by saying your effort reduced CPU time & elapsed time and the service units the job consumed |
What's the harm if TS wants to know MIPS? |
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vasanthz
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What's the harm if TS wants to know MIPS?
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Job cannot be measured in MIPS. MIPS is the speed of the machine.
I am tired.. I feel like keyboard warrior battling a Trump supporter
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Rohit Umarjikar
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| Job cannot be measured in MIPS. MIPS is the speed of the machine. |
You don't seems to understand the question asked. MIPS changes per model, that everyone knows by now but TS wants to know the relation between CPU and MIPS how they are related to each other.
This is the calculation at my site and this is directly coming from the same set of people ( Capacity Planner/ Performance Management Group) that you claim to be part of.
The calculation is ( this is just an example):
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Cpu seconds/ (#cpus * 86400) * totalmips
For system XXX(masked)
Cpu seconds / (9*86400) * 12371
If your job ran 60 minutes of cpu (3600 seconds) it is:
(3600 / 777600) * 12371 = 57.27 mips |
I don't think any further discussion is required as TS has what is required. |
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