IBM Mainframe Forum Index
 
Log In
 
IBM Mainframe Forum Index Mainframe: Search IBM Mainframe Forum: FAQ Register
 

Modifying screen size in ISP...SCRSIZE?


IBM Mainframe Forums -> TSO/ISPF
Post new topic   Reply to topic
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
valyk

Active User


Joined: 16 Apr 2008
Posts: 104
Location: South Carolina

PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 2:10 am
Reply with quote

I am looking to dynamically change my screen size for a panel. I need more functionality than just 80 x 24. I have tried the terminal command with SCRSIZE and LINESIZE, but they do not change to a wider screen. Any suggestions?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Robert Sample

Global Moderator


Joined: 06 Jun 2008
Posts: 8651
Location: Dubuque, Iowa, USA

PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 3:27 am
Reply with quote

This is generally handled through the 3270 emulator you run on your PC, but the mainframe also has to be set up for the screen size you want to run. Your best bet is to contact your site support group about how to change the screen size in your emulator and get a matched screen size on the mainframe.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
valyk

Active User


Joined: 16 Apr 2008
Posts: 104
Location: South Carolina

PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 4:44 am
Reply with quote

Well I can change my screen size in the emulator. That's not an issue. I need to be able to change the tso screen size. We have a product that does just what I need, but we do not have the source...
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Robert Sample

Global Moderator


Joined: 06 Jun 2008
Posts: 8651
Location: Dubuque, Iowa, USA

PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 6:39 am
Reply with quote

Google is your friend. A search on ibm 3270 screen size returns 164,000 hits -- the first of which talks about changing screen sizes:
www-03.ibm.com/support/techdocs/atsmastr.nsf/WebIndex/TD102151
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
valyk

Active User


Joined: 16 Apr 2008
Posts: 104
Location: South Carolina

PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 6:52 am
Reply with quote

I'm not trying to change the screen manually. I am trying to change it within rexx.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Robert Sample

Global Moderator


Joined: 06 Jun 2008
Posts: 8651
Location: Dubuque, Iowa, USA

PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 7:32 am
Reply with quote

Sigh. The first reference in the Google search I cited has a title of "Creating dynamic 3270 screen size definitions for increased productivity". Perhaps if you read that you could find out some of the data that you must change before you can change the screen size within REXX. Probably not, since you seem quite convinced someone on this forum will give the answer you want, but perhaps....
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Pedro

Global Moderator


Joined: 01 Sep 2006
Posts: 2372
Location: Silicon Valley

PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 9:29 pm
Reply with quote

Can you be more clear about what you see now? What size is your emulator configured to now and what are you seeing displayed? How wide of a screen do you see when you use SDSF?

I think you need some things:
1. configure emulator
2. set ISPF setttings to allow greater than 80 width
3. panels need to be written for greater than 80 width
4. application needs to be written to present greater than 80 data

For depth, just code a panel with a scrollable area.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
valyk

Active User


Joined: 16 Apr 2008
Posts: 104
Location: South Carolina

PostPosted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 1:29 am
Reply with quote

I am building a CICS BMS screen painter (not a fan of SDF2), and I want the option to be able to modify MOD2 and MOD5 maps. I have an assembler utility that displays terminal settings and when invoked, it will jump to 27x132. My goal is to have my screen painter (written in Rexx) to call an assembler program and change the screen size automatically if you are modifying a MOD5 screen.

I can manually switch my terminal screen format to MAX and the screen painter works perfectly, but I do not want the user to manually change their screen format when they need to modify a map.

I also do not want the user to have to page left, right, down, or up to modify a MOD5 map.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
MBabu

Active User


Joined: 03 Aug 2008
Posts: 400
Location: Mumbai

PostPosted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 2:47 am
Reply with quote

Assuming this app is under ISPF, just use a different screen in your DISPLAY call that is already sized to a mod5. see the EXPAND keyword in panels
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
valyk

Active User


Joined: 16 Apr 2008
Posts: 104
Location: South Carolina

PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 12:19 am
Reply with quote

That does not work. I recieve this error:
Invalid WIDTH value, (must be numeric chars, >= 80, <= screen width).
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
MBabu

Active User


Joined: 03 Aug 2008
Posts: 400
Location: Mumbai

PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 3:59 am
Reply with quote

it does work - its been done for years. When you say 'that does not work' you need to be more specific. What did you try? How did you determine the screen size and therefore which panel to display? What was the screen size you were displaying and what was the panel expecting it to be?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
valyk

Active User


Joined: 16 Apr 2008
Posts: 104
Location: South Carolina

PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 8:26 am
Reply with quote

I opened a BMS map that is defined as MOD5 (SIZE=(132,27)). My panel that is envoked is defined like this:

Code:
)BODY WIDTH(132) EXPAND(//)                                               
|SCRN1,SHDW1                   / /                                        |


When you say screen size, which do you mean? Physical or logical? The logical size is 132, and the physical is 80.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Pedro

Global Moderator


Joined: 01 Sep 2006
Posts: 2372
Location: Silicon Valley

PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 8:36 pm
Reply with quote

Quote:
Invalid WIDTH value, (..., <= screen width)

Your logical screen has to be less than or equal to the physical screen.

Something in your setup is not working. You need to define the physical screen correctly.

Can you respond to the questions I posted on Oct 13?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
valyk

Active User


Joined: 16 Apr 2008
Posts: 104
Location: South Carolina

PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 8:54 pm
Reply with quote

I know my logical screen is larger than my physical screen. That is what I am trying to programmatically change. I do not want to require the user change their ISPF screen settings manually just to use my editor. I am trying to figure out how I can change that on the fly.

Just to clear things up, changing the screen size in option 0 (Settings) is not a problem. That is not the issue here, it never was...
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
MBabu

Active User


Joined: 03 Aug 2008
Posts: 400
Location: Mumbai

PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 9:49 pm
Reply with quote

you can't change physical screen sizes. Emulators are emulating real hardware and the real 3270 terminals could not change screen sizes either (well, they have primary and alternate sizes like a Mod5, but you can't make a mod 2,3, or 4, display more than 80 columns. That is why I suggested that you query the screen size (zwidth?, I forget) and display a panel written for the right size or use expand to widen th area to the right size. But telling an 80 byte physical or emulated terminal that you want to display 132 characters will not work.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Pedro

Global Moderator


Joined: 01 Sep 2006
Posts: 2372
Location: Silicon Valley

PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 10:32 pm
Reply with quote

My earlier list, with updates:

I think you need some things:
1. configure emulator
2. logon with VTAM definitions for right terminal definition.
3. set ISPF setttings to allow greater than 80 width
4. panels need to be written for greater than 80 width
5. application needs to be written to present greater than 80 data

Can you verify that another application will display a wide screen? I suggested SDSF

Easy answer (untested):
1. exit ISPF
2. rename your ISPF profile member: ISRPROF, say to OLDPROF
3. restart ISPF - it will make a new ISRPROF member
4. make copy of new ISRPROF, say to 'TEMPPROF'
5. use option 0 to change your 'screen format' to MAX.
6. compare current ISRPROF to TEMPPROF and see which variable changed.
7. That is the variable you need to set from your program
8. restore your original ISRPROF member from OLDPROF

NOTE: you need to add logic to restore the users actual preference when your application is done. And I am pretty sure it will be active for split screen applications.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
enrico-sorichetti

Superior Member


Joined: 14 Mar 2007
Posts: 10833
Location: italy

PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 10:57 pm
Reply with quote

according to the ispf documentation

Quote:
Screen format
Specification of screen format applies only to 327x and 3290 terminals (or a terminal emulator set to a mode that emulates a 327x or 3290 terminal). ISPF ignores screen format for other types of terminal.

Data
Format is based on data width.


so it should be possible to automatically switch to a 132 display
( that' s what sdsf does automatically )
tested and working on a model 5 to see all the listing without side scrolling

but in split screen editing in the other screen looks weird

the logon mode table must be defined for a model 5 3270
and the emulator must be configured to emulate a model 5
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
valyk

Active User


Joined: 16 Apr 2008
Posts: 104
Location: South Carolina

PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 11:54 pm
Reply with quote

Pedro wrote:
My earlier list, with updates:

Easy answer (untested):
1. exit ISPF
2. rename your ISPF profile member: ISRPROF, say to OLDPROF
3. restart ISPF - it will make a new ISRPROF member
4. make copy of new ISRPROF, say to 'TEMPPROF'
5. use option 0 to change your 'screen format' to MAX.
6. compare current ISRPROF to TEMPPROF and see which variable changed.
7. That is the variable you need to set from your program
8. restore your original ISRPROF member from OLDPROF

NOTE: you need to add logic to restore the users actual preference when your application is done. And I am pretty sure it will be active for split screen applications.



After doing this, I did a SUPERC comparison on the ISPSPROF member (this is the only one that I can find that has any changes). This is the result:

I - M ZFRAMIC ZGCOLORS 1234567 ZGGCOLRS 01041302030600 ZGHCOLR ZGPCOL
D - S ZFRAMIC ZGCOLORS 1234567 ZGGCOLRS 01041302030600 ZGHCOLR ZGPCOL

I - B 39705277 ZMLNQK 1 ZMLNQP Y ZMLNQW 1000 ZMLOPTS KKKKKDK ZSTATIB
D - B 39693264 ZMLNQK 1 ZMLNQP Y ZMLNQW 1000 ZMLOPTS KKKKKDK ZSTATIB

I - 12578314 ZSTATOT 1145174 ZSTATIN 1063233
D - 12578226 ZSTATOT 1145169 ZSTATIN 1063228


I am guessing the underlined characters is the STD/MAX variable. Now how could I figure out which variable this is?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
valyk

Active User


Joined: 16 Apr 2008
Posts: 104
Location: South Carolina

PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 11:57 pm
Reply with quote

enrico-sorichetti wrote:
according to the ispf documentation

Quote:
Screen format
Specification of screen format applies only to 327x and 3290 terminals (or a terminal emulator set to a mode that emulates a 327x or 3290 terminal). ISPF ignores screen format for other types of terminal.

Data
Format is based on data width.


so it should be possible to automatically switch to a 132 display
( that' s what sdsf does automatically )
tested and working on a model 5 to see all the listing without side scrolling

but in split screen editing in the other screen looks weird

the logon mode table must be defined for a model 5 3270
and the emulator must be configured to emulate a model 5


Exactly! The emulator doesn't solely control this. The emulator will prevent you from viewing Mod5 if you do not set it correctly, but ISPF also plays a role.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
valyk

Active User


Joined: 16 Apr 2008
Posts: 104
Location: South Carolina

PostPosted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 12:01 am
Reply with quote

I tried looking at 7.3. thinking that I would see a variable with a value of 'S', since I currently have my ISPF Screen Format as STD, but this came up dry...
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
enrico-sorichetti

Superior Member


Joined: 14 Mar 2007
Posts: 10833
Location: italy

PostPosted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 12:14 am
Reply with quote

Quote:
since I currently have my ISPF Screen Format as STD,

use DATA and read the manual about ZSCREENW an friends
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
valyk

Active User


Joined: 16 Apr 2008
Posts: 104
Location: South Carolina

PostPosted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 12:20 am
Reply with quote

Ok. I will go in that direction, but there is still one problem. My shop's default setting is STD. I still need to be able to switch them out of STD, then back when I am finished...
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
enrico-sorichetti

Superior Member


Joined: 14 Mar 2007
Posts: 10833
Location: italy

PostPosted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 12:37 am
Reply with quote

go to ISPF option 0 scroll down one page and use 1 as per my previous posts

whenever an option is customizable by each user it is not a standard any longer
the issue might be, on the other side to be able to logon, using a model5 logon mode table
unless vtam is setup to diiscover automatically the terminal model, and setup correctly the alternate screen size
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
valyk

Active User


Joined: 16 Apr 2008
Posts: 104
Location: South Carolina

PostPosted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 12:43 am
Reply with quote

Sorry, when I say 'I need to be able to switch them out of STD' I mean do it programmatically, not manually.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
enrico-sorichetti

Superior Member


Joined: 14 Mar 2007
Posts: 10833
Location: italy

PostPosted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 12:54 am
Reply with quote

why do You want to deprive people of the added facilities of using DATA
when editing browsing lrecl 80 <things> nothing will change

I would not worry about the issue for more than a couple of seconds
worry about the application, and switching back and forth between data and std will be a last minute secondary detail
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
View previous topic :: :: View next topic  
Post new topic   Reply to topic View Bookmarks
All times are GMT + 6 Hours
Forum Index -> TSO/ISPF Goto page 1, 2  Next

 


Similar Topics
Topic Forum Replies
No new posts Dataset size increase on adding 1 byt... DFSORT/ICETOOL 8
No new posts TWA size of the CPLT transaction CICS 0
No new posts Data for newly added fields not displ... IMS DB/DC 6
No new posts DATA SET LIST UTILITY screen TSO/ISPF 6
No new posts REORG to reduce segment size new DBD IMS DB/DC 2
Search our Forums:

Back to Top