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mainframe_techie

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 12:53 am
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Hi,

In our shop the job submission is limited.When asked about it, they say it is costly.

My question is, I heard that each and every job you submit,costs something.

What is this cost about ?? This cost is paid for what and to whom ??

thanks,
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dick scherrer

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 1:21 am
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Hello,

You need to talk with some management in your organization.

Every job does cost something. Costs include initiator use, cpu cycles, i/o, etc. What that cost is, is determined by someone in your organization.

Consider that it may cost several million $ a year to run your data center. One way some organizations try to distribute that cost is by resources used by various departments/projects.

All of that is up to your organization.
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mainframe_techie

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 1:33 am
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Hi,

Thanks for the reply.

When we say cost of Initiator or CPU usage. Why would they cost you??
The CPU once owed by a company then it should not cost anything.
Also whom should the money be paid ??
I would talk to administrator here but can you site some examples you know of??

These questions may sound primitive, but need to be clarified.

Thanks,
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enrico-sorichetti

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 1:44 am
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The CPU once owed by a company then it should not cost anything


Inside a company often the IT infrastructure is seen as provider of services to the other departments,
as a service provider it must bill its customers, even if it gets paid with virtual money.

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dick scherrer

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 2:07 am
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Hello,

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The CPU once owed by a company then it should not cost anything


This is not quite true. There are many ongoing costs for "the machine". You need to have a special room, operators, fire protection, maintenance for the hardware in case something breaks, many many software licenses (often upwards of a million $ per year), electrical power, backup power in case the primary goes out, and on and on and on. . .

While the cost is often "funny money" or "money on paper" (no real money actually changes hands), it is a way some organizations use to see where their IT expenses are being used. For example if one "thing" uses 100 "units" of IT resource and another uses 10,000, their costs would be quite different and management could see this difference on a report or graph.
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mainframe_techie

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 2:47 am
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All,

Thanks for the replies. It answers my question to an extend.

Thanks.
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dick scherrer

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 3:12 am
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You're welcome icon_smile.gif

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It answers my question to an extend.


What additinal info might you be looking for?
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stodolas

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 6:00 pm
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Dick,

You can purchase CPUs on the mainframe now? I thought IBM only leased them for a yearly fee. Also almost all the software is leased on a per CPU basis along with the associated maintnence contracts that are usually required. That would figure into the cost too.
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dick scherrer

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 6:56 pm
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Hi Steve,

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I thought IBM only leased them for a yearly fee.
I don't know about "only", but most places i'm familiar with lease them. When new hardware is announced/delivered, they just "roll over" on the lease and are not stuck trying to sell the "old" box(es) that maybe a pain to get rid of.

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Also almost all the software is leased on a per CPU basis along with the associated maintnence contracts that are usually required. That would figure into the cost too.

Yup, there are many other things that are cost related. I was only trying to give TS a feel for the original "cost" question.
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What is this cost about ??


I'm still not sure that TS got an answer that would "work". Maybe we'll get some more feedback.
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Anuj Dhawan

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 7:08 pm
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Hi,

This is somthing like one has taken a one room (some CPU) of some house on rent & now one is paying the rent (CPU cost, which you are talking about) & at the same time owner is not ready to sell 'his house (Mainframes)'..this is the way IBM has created 'his' monopoly in Mainframe-world. (Last sentence is being bit storng...no offenses please)
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rajukumar100

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 3:26 pm
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enrico-sorichetti wrote:
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The CPU once owed by a company then it should not cost anything


Inside a company often the IT infrastructure is seen as provider of services to the other departments,
as a service provider it must bill its customers, even if it gets paid with virtual money.

regards

e.s
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murmohk1

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 5:28 pm
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rajukumar,

Anything you wanted to ask?
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