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amfarrag

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 4:41 pm    Post subject: Problem in defining new cics terminals
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hi all
i m facing problem in defining CICS terminals
i have defined cics terminal in a certain group
when i stop the cics and restart it again some of these terminals are automatically installed and some not
why should this problem probably happen
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Alaa
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 5:20 pm    Post subject:
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Why define when you can autoinstall?
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 5:25 pm    Post subject: thanks for your quick reply :)
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hi william
due to security reasons we don't rely on the autoinstall and we prefer to statically install each terminals CICS & its associated LU name
waiting for your feedback
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 5:42 pm    Post subject:
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Do you define and install within RDO?
Do you cold start after defining?
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 7:16 pm    Post subject:
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i use the usual cics panels in defining CICS terminals
i don't make any starts after definitions . after installation i usually find the terminals already acquired without need to restart CICS
anyway when i start the CICS i don't provide any extra parameters . i leave it to defaults. i don't know whether this a cold or warm start
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 7:28 pm    Post subject:
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IIRC, define and install, good. If not installed, normal warm starts will not look at the CSD for additional defined terms, only activating those that were already installed.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 7:52 pm    Post subject:
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please tell me what does these abbreviations mean
IIRC
CSD
RDO
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 7:58 pm    Post subject:
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If I Recall Correctly.... icon_smile.gif
Resource definition online (RDO): This method uses the CICS-supplied online transactions CEDA, CEDB, and CEDC. Definitions are stored on the CICS system definition (CSD) file, and installed into an active CICS system from the CSD file.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 8:06 pm    Post subject:
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william
i think i have many missing concepts in cics icon_cry.gif
do u have a simple book for getting started in CICS system administration
i hope i can find nice resource (& not ibm manual icon_lol.gif ) for cics
you can contact me directly on my mail if u want
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thanks alot
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 8:13 pm    Post subject:
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for example
where can i find the CSD file
how can i use JCL to administrate CICS creations,installing , deleting....
is there any RACF privilige i should give to my TSO user to do these CICS tasks via TSO
i would like to confess is that i m the worst CICS adminsitrator ever icon_sad.gif
i appreciate hardly your help to me
Alaa
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 8:14 pm    Post subject:
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I don't have a simple book for administration, your best bet would be to start with Chapter 1. Introducing resource definition in CICS Transaction Server for z/OS CICS System Definition Guide (SC34-6428).
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thanks for the book
can you please help me in my questions
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 8:19 pm    Post subject:
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by the way sorry for adding my mail
i didn't know this is against the rules
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No problem, but you really should Read Forum Rules... icon_smile.gif
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 8:31 pm    Post subject:
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what about these ? can u help me in them ?

amfarrag wrote:
for example
where can i find the CSD file
how can i use JCL to administrate CICS creations,installing , deleting....
is there any RACF privilige i should give to my TSO user to do these CICS tasks via TSO
i would like to confess is that i m the worst CICS adminsitrator ever :(
i appreciate hardly your help to me
Alaa
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 8:54 pm    Post subject:
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Sorry, I missed them..
I do believe that the CSD is defined in the FCT, you should be able to find it with CEMT. Generally you are better off working directly with CICS but there are ways to update via JCL.
Unless you want things to get really messed up, keep others out of the CSD.
Assuming you have a CICS that is currently running, the best experience will come in time.
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