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Garry Carroll

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 1:29 pm    Post subject: Beginners v Experts
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Perhaps people are viewing "Experts Forum" as being the place to get advice from experts rather than being a place for experts to seek advice/help from other experts? Maybe changing the forum titles to something like "Beginners' Queries" and "Experts' Queries" might reduce the number of Beginner questions in the Experts forum?

Just a thought...

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply to: Beginners v Experts
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Whatever the reason people post here or there (I mainly ask questions in the Beginner's Forum because I woud not be an expert in that topic - usually sort) I have an idea (that could easily be shotdown as unworkable): have an icon that would transfer a topic from one forum to the other, add that person's profile to the other forum, if not already registered, and send a mail to them to say that the topic has been moved and how to access it.

The immediate problem that I see, apart from whether it is even feasible, is that I have different user names on each of the two forums - but same e-mail address - so we coud end up with multiple profiles for the one person.
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I don't know how feasible it is, but may be merge both the sites: Beginner's Forum and Expert's Forum together.

For each post enable additional topic category: "Beginners' Queries" and "Experts' Queries".

That way it's up to user(Beginner or Expert) which post they want to look at and which they can ignore.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 8:12 pm    Post subject:
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This has been discussed several times in past about posting Beginners question on this forum, but no solution yet derived which has prevented that happening.

Simplest way is ,Moderator(s), (When the question belongs to RTFM/basic/TS not tried nothing/syntax questions/ or many more such category to think) The post should be immediately locked and redirect TS to Beginners forum link to post it. So TS would have no choice but to post there.

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That's not an option since TS can still post Beginners questions to this forum by selecting the "Expert Forum " Dropdown.
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That's not an option since TS can still post Beginners questions to this forum by selecting the "Expert Forum " Dropdown.

But moderators can change the tag if they think it's a Beginner's topic.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 8:23 pm    Post subject:
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But moderators can change the tag if they think it's a Beginner's topic

Moderators now needs to do TS work this habbit will lead TS to post regardless in any section since Moderators can redirect? Admin now has to do more changes to bring two sites together? plus Nic raised a good point of having two profiles for the same person.

Instead of all this, just lock the topic and redirect to Beginners forum, in this way no one needs to do any S/W changes.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply to: Beginners v Experts
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My View:

Having 2 separate forums for 'Beginners' and 'Experts' was a bad idea right from the inception of 'Beginners' forum.

A person who is asking a question cannot decide whether the question is an 'Expertesque' question of a 'Beginneresque' question. Even novice can come across strange situations that need expert views.

As a user, I would just go and ask on a forum which is more popular (i.e. comes as a top result on a google search).

For me, the people who decided to have 2 separate forums should take the blame and Not the users.

And btw, What are you trying to achieve with Beginners forum when 'almost' all the same people who reply on Experts forum are the ones who reply on Beginners forum as well.

*I undertand the financial gains of having 2 separate websites/urls but this is not what we are talking here.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 10:48 pm    Post subject:
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In the past, when confronted with a beginner's type question and from a pretty obvious beginner I've inserted a paragraph encouraging the topic starter to get an ID over on mainframe forum, and then proceeded to respond to the query. Sometimes it actually worked!
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I'm not trying to undermine here anyone, but I think a CICS expert might not be able to judge what's a beginner's or expert's query for an IMS-DC related questions or a DB2 expert can't judge what's beginner's query for an IMS-DB related query and vice-versa

That's why I am into favor of having one site for all. And something that respective moderator could control, what's beginner's query and what's an expert query.

Otherwise as RahulG31 said correctly: Anyone would post their queries to a forum where he/she has maximum chances of getting a quick reply, irrespective of whether that person is a Beginner or an Expert.
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I am sooo tempted to post "same same but different gif by James Franco"
I might get banned if I did :-)
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2018 5:01 am    Post subject: Reply to: Beginners v Experts
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And btw, What are you trying to achieve with Beginners forum when 'almost' all the same people who reply on Experts forum are the ones who reply on Beginners forum as well.

well, you wouldn't want the beginners to answer the questions, would you? They probably wouldn't know the answers anyway. The 'experts' appear on many forums giving their expertise for free.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply to: Beginners v Experts
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well, you wouldn't want the beginners to answer the questions, would you? They probably wouldn't know the answers anyway.

Why do you think that one beginner cannot answer the question of another beginner? Is there a reason for it?

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The 'experts' appear on many forums giving their expertise for free.

So, you mean on each of those forums the 'experts' ask beginners to go to beginners forum? I don't think so. It is only on this forum that people are being asked to go to the so called 'beginners forum'.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply to: Beginners v Experts
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The reason that it is only on this forum that it is suggested that TS's should try the Beginners forum is because these two forums are provided by the same people. Other forums are not linked to either of these forums. It is bad manners to try and point someone at a competing forum but Experts and Beginners are not competing.
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As said, My advise to keep it simple is to lock the post if moderator finds them beginners question and redirect them to beginners forum since . Since both the website are revenue generator for one company else RahulG31 is saying the market truth.
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