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How do i find out cpu used by sort ?

 
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kushkush

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 1:43 pm    Post subject: How do i find out cpu used by sort ?
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We are at z/OS 1.13 and are trying to find out how much cpu is used by dfsort.
I can find out about batch by using smf 16 but how can i find out how much cpu is used by online systems (DB2, MQ, CICS etc)?
Is there any comparision available between DFSORT and SYNCSORT?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply to: How do i find out cpu used by sort ?
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the first step to get good answers is to post good questions

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 2:16 pm    Post subject:
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Hi,
When you process smf record type 16, Did you check if either of the fields

ICEJOBNM
or
ICESUBID

contain a subsystem name to identify if it is DB2, CICS or MQ?
I have not worked on rec type 16 yet. So guessing.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply to: How do i find out cpu used by sort ?
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Kushkush,

I suggest you take enrico's advice to heart, rather than thinking you know any better.

You have multiple questions, without a lot of sense to them.

How are we to make anything useful in response?

Further fatuous replies from you will be treated in the same way, with potential other consequences for your posting-ability here.

If you want to know about comparison between DFSORT and SyncSort, contact both the vendors. What is absolutely critical for the comparison is how your site is currently using the Sort product that you have, and how you want to use it in the future, and specifically what you want to achieve by any potential change. Not a question for a board.

If you can identify CPU used by batch jobs, why can't you find those used for a particular program (SORT, ICEMAN, ICETOOL whatever)?

Are you using DFSORT within the other products you mention? So what relevance there?

If you have general performance problems at your site, get a Consultant in. Make sure you know the right questions to ask them, as well.

If you have what you see as "performance problems" with your Sort product, contact the vendor. I'm sure they will rapidly identify what you are doing incorrectly.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 3:01 pm    Post subject:
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[self-justification and misunderstandings deleted]
I have raised only two questions.
1. Where can i find detailed information about cpu usage also for subsystems.
2.If there is any public domain comparison available for the these two products?
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Bill Woodger

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply to: How do i find out cpu used by sort ?
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Kushkush,

You are "sailing very close to the wind".

Your PM to me is equally wrong in regard to the subject. You may not like the style of some responses. If you don't, as has been suggested, make the "style" of your questions more useful.

Your number 2) I have already answered. Any "public assessment" of the competing products is wildly unlikely to be useful to your specific situation at your site. If you go that route, I guess you have a 50/50 chance of getting the best product for your requirements.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 3:41 pm    Post subject:
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Many thanks for answers.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 4:30 pm    Post subject:
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The answer to your first question is SMF. SMF contains IIRC three record types that are specific to DFSORT, 2 for DB2, 1 for CICS and so forth. It may take some analysis to get usable numbers from SMF, but it can be done (easier if your site uses MXG or another SMF analysis tool).
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