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Anuj Dhawan
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Joined: 22 Apr 2006 Posts: 6258 Location: Mumbai, India




Code: 
a = x [true for some a's and x's]
a+a = a+x [add a to both sides]
2a = a+x [a+a = 2a]
2a2x = a+x2x [subtract 2x from both sides]
2(ax) = a+x2x [2a2x = 2(ax)]
2(ax) = ax [x2x = x]
2 = 1 [divide both sides by ax] 


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dick scherrer
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Two does not = one  even for very large values of one . . . 

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Phrzby Phil
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Joined: 31 Oct 2006 Posts: 976 Location: Richmond, Virginia




And you complained last year when I owed you $2 but gave you only $1. 

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Robert Sample
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Now, Dick, if you divide by zero as Anuj did, anything can equal anything! 

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dick scherrer
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Is this Fuzzy Math . . .
Maybe this explains the 2 commas in my last check . . . 

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Robert Sample
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No fuzzy math is involved. The first line sets a equal to x. The last line divides by ax; since a=x ax is zero, hence the results provided. 

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dick scherrer
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Quote: 
No fuzzy math is involved. 
Nope  just makin' a funny.
The first time i saw that "equation" i believe was 8th grade . . . 

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GuyC
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Pure mathematics consists entirely of such asseverations as that, if such and such a proposition is true of anything, then such and such another proposition is true of that thing... It's essential not to discuss whether the proposition is really true, and not to mention what the anything is of which it is supposed to be true... If our hypothesis is about anything and not about some one or more particular things, then our deductions constitute mathematics. Thus mathematics may be defined as the subject in which we never know what we are talking about, nor whether what we are saying is true. 


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Robert Sample
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And since 1931 Godel's incompleteness theorems show that for certain statements, we cannot know whether what we are saying is true. 

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Akatsukami
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Robert Sample wrote: 
And since 1931 Godel's incompleteness theorems show that for certain statements, we cannot know whether what we are saying is true. 
Suddenly all the questions asked on this forum make sense... 

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Bill Woodger
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Robert Sample wrote: 
And since 1931 Godel's incompleteness theorems show that for certain statements, we cannot know whether what we are saying is true. 
Can we even be sure it was 1931? Or that we won't get that same slew of old jokes...
I need littleenough encouragement... 

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Robert Sample
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Akatsukami,
Bill: maybe it was NOT 1931, just a very large value of 1? 

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Phrzby Phil
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What Godel proved was that in axiom systems capable of doing at least simple arithmetic, there are statements that can neither be proven nor disproven.
"True" is not a word used in this instance.
Where "true" comes into play is when the elements the axioms define are assigned values in a model.
So the parallel axiom in geometry is independent of the "simpler" axioms  it cannot be proven from them.
In the flat Euclidean model, it is true. If one assigns other meanings to "point" and "line", then one can define nonEuclidean models where the parallel axiom is false in various ways. 

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Bill Woodger
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Phr.. er, Phil, I was serious about not bringing up those old jokes.
Akatsukami, first class.
Now, with what theory do we explain the "post once then disappear"? If I can understand that one as well, I'll be happy :) 

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vasanthz
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Quote: 
if you divide by zero 
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PandoraBox
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Lol
If a=x
ax=0
so theorem fails :D 

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Anuj Dhawan
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Akatsukami wrote: 
Suddenly all the questions asked on this forum make sense... 
ROFL, Good one! 

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Anuj Dhawan
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10/10 Robert  now I understand why one should NOT mess with a mathematic'student!
As GuyC quoted: "if such and such a proposition is true of anything, then such and such another proposition is true of that thing"
It's similar to an invalid proof: 2 × 0 = 1 × 0 (which is true), one can divide by zero to obtain 2 = 1. Divide by zero is not defined in math (infinity, a concept. Perhaps pretty similar to NULL, the way we discuss that here). 

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