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Anuj Dhawan

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 4:07 pm    Post subject: General Talk: Philosophy, Anuj and Ed
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With reference to the thread: http://www.ibmmainframes.com/viewtopic.php?t=57887&highlight=

Ed Goodman wrote:
Anuj,
That would be a great start to a different thread!!! I'd rather sit in pub/bar/huka and talk about it face-to-face, but alas, we're too far flung.


(Post Script.: As they say, concentrate on the "message" not on the "delivery" - but how many do really understand what is being said - Philosophical or technical... only if they could!)

"Huka" - whoa! whoa! -- would love to. In fact, I had been searching one for my home, lately. Was not knowing that dinos in US knows about this word! icon_smile.gif

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 5:54 pm    Post subject:
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for those of us who were in their teens and early 20 during the 60's,
"Huka" is not the only thing with which we are familiar.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply to: General Talk: Philosophy, Anuj and Ed
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I went to visit my daughter at school and saw this thing, reminiscent of a "Bong" sitting on the coffee table. I said "What the he** is that?". She said we use it for smoking "Huka". Having no idea what "Huka" is, I asked whether it was legal and it is.

Like DBZ, I too am a child of the 60's.... icon_smile.gif
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 7:19 pm    Post subject:
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I'll start it off. This is in response to this comment:
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/Philosophy On

Suggest you start with - what is necessary, then what is possible - hopefully, soon you'll get what you need.

/Philosophy Off


In context, it was encouragement to use the tools at hand to get the current task done. At least that's what I think it meant.

My take on this is that it's a GOOD thing to research farther than you need to. A lot of times that's how something gets better. While I see a very valid point to "get it done and stop asking so many questions" I can also see a valid point to "see if there is a better way to get it done."

To me, the real battle has always been to find the productive balance between research and productivity. I can spend a day trying to save an hour, or I can save a day by taking an extra hour.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 8:51 pm    Post subject:
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dbzTHEdinosauer wrote:
for those of us who were in their teens and early 20 during the 60's,
"Huka" is not the only thing with which we are familiar.
Yup, I know...icon_smile.gif.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 8:55 pm    Post subject:
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Ed Goodman wrote:
I'll start it off. This is in response to this comment:
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/Philosophy On

Suggest you start with - what is necessary, then what is possible - hopefully, soon you'll get what you need.

/Philosophy Off


In context, it was encouragement to use the tools at hand to get the current task done. At least that's what I think it meant.

My take on this is that it's a GOOD thing to research farther than you need to. A lot of times that's how something gets better. While I see a very valid point to "get it done and stop asking so many questions" I can also see a valid point to "see if there is a better way to get it done."

To me, the real battle has always been to find the productive balance between research and productivity. I can spend a day trying to save an hour, or I can save a day by taking an extra hour.
Yeah, the trick is to know when to stop doing research and start doing the job. Research is much more interesting, so I have a tendency to keep at it too long.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Reply to: General Talk: Philosophy, Anuj and Ed
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Bill O'Boyle wrote:
Having no idea what "Huka" is, I asked whether it was legal and it is.
"Huka" pronounced as "Hookah" has it's origin from East. We've Hookah Bars around here and that's a "Hindi" word (possibly Urdu), so it was attractive to hear this word from other side of the globe.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:23 pm    Post subject:
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when i was working for a company,
it was a never ending battle in the quest for a little R&D time,
so I quit and worked as a consultant.
i would work 8 hrs and bill the customer for 8 hrs.
then i would work = experiment, learn - even started using the word modeling,
off the customers time clock but definitely on his machine.
i figured it was my time used on his machine to improve my skill-set
which enabled me to do my job with even less effort,
which always means correctly/quickly.
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When I first started out I was lucky enough to have a boss who recognized my interest in technical matters. He took me aside one day and told me that if I found myself finishing a task early (which happened pretty regularly) he didn't mind if I spent some time experimenting.

This worked out well for both of us. Well, except for the time when my TSO charges went through the roof because I was experimenting with XPF/Cobol, a full screen debugging tool. But that was just a small bump in the road.

Years later when I found myself supervising a very bright young recruit, I told him the same thing that I'd been told. His eyes lit up, and I never regretted it. The stuff that kid came up with was absolutely brilliant and he went on to have a stellar career. He probably would have had a stellar career no matter what I did, but I am glad that I was smart enough not to stand in his way.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 11:07 pm    Post subject:
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Since we're discussing hooka, I'll tell you that we have hooka bars right here in Columbus, Ohio. Some of the folks I work with hang out there. One ever got his car stolen from the lot while he was there! (he got it back)
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 11:23 pm    Post subject: Reply to: General Talk: Philosophy, Anuj and Ed
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They're all over the place around here too.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 1:12 am    Post subject:
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It is a young person's fad. For those who feel their lungs are invulnerable.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 2:52 pm    Post subject:
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I can spend a day trying to save an hour, or I can save a day by taking an extra hour.
I agree on that Ed.

I've seen Programmers (leave the "general" people alone) suffering with the "paralysis of analysis" - one hour gone, they are analyzing, two more hours - they are analyzing, 6-7 hours - they are still analyzing.

Said that -- yes, "balance" is the key to go and the mileage vary person-to-person, drastically.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 4:58 pm    Post subject:
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don.leahy wrote:
Years later when I found myself supervising a very bright young recruit, I told him the same thing that I'd been told. His eyes lit up, and I never regretted it. The stuff that kid came up with was absolutely brilliant and he went on to have a stellar career. He probably would have had a stellar career no matter what I did, but I am glad that I was smart enough not to stand in his way.
That's very pious and nice sentiment and I don't see this often, these days. On a personal side - I'd say - actually, when we do this to someone, I believe, we do much better to ourselves. Regards.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 2:33 pm    Post subject:
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On a personal side - I'd say - actually, when we do this to someone, I believe, we do much better to ourselves. Regards.


+1

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