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Pravesh

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 2:54 pm    Post subject: Finding JOB Location in spool messages or history
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Is there any way to know the location of Job from where it is submitted thru job messages in spool or history? for example:-
I saw some job
ABCDEF in spool and want to know from which location that job submitted.



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 3:04 pm    Post subject:
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Please explain exactly what it is that you want to find out.

Also, what has this topic got to do with Mainframe COBOL
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 6:28 pm    Post subject:
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I'm also not sure what are you asking, however are you looking for a message of kind
Code:
12.02.41 JOB30098  IEF196I ACF9CCCD USERID XXXXXX  IS ASSIGNED TO THIS JOB - ZQJANINT
available in JESMSGLG? Which tell TSO user XXXXXX has submitted the job ZQJANINT. ANd ofcourse at the top of message-log there is "node name". icon_confused.gif
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 6:41 pm    Post subject:
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What is it with all those questions about owners, submitters etc.
The people who ask that kind of questions are auditors?
Or want to do illegal actions and want to know where there
actions are going to be registrated?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 10:10 pm    Post subject:
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Interesting questions you've posed, Peter! Seems like some of these types of questions are more interested in "finger-pointing" than anything else.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 10:38 pm    Post subject:
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Terry Heinze wrote:
Interesting questions you've posed, Peter! Seems like some of these types of questions are more interested in "finger-pointing" than anything else.


"Finger Pointing" ?

That a very interesting topic to start. icon_sad.gif
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 10:51 pm    Post subject:
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Hello,

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"Finger Pointing" ?

"pointing a finger" = identifying who is at fault. . . Placing blame.
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dick scherrer wrote:
Hello,

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"Finger Pointing" ?

"pointing a finger" = identifying who is at fault. . . Placing blame.


Dick, i know of that kind of finger pointing icon_redface.gif
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 12:53 am    Post subject: Reply to: Finding JOB Location in spool messages or history
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A difference between horizontal and vertical, perhaps . . . icon_question.gif

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Yes, I use the vertical version on the freeways occasionally. icon_mad.gif icon_lol.gif
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 3:54 am    Post subject: Reply to: Finding JOB Location in spool messages or history
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And your bumper sticker is:

Horn broke - watch for finger.

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whereas it is only leathal in the US to 'flip the bird to another car',
here is germany it is illegal - yes there is a law against 'flipping the bird' to another driver.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 4:08 pm    Post subject: JCL
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please have the example for details:-
in spool there is one job like "CRACIN" that already ran. I want to know from which location means PDS details that job submitted.

suppose I submit one jobs ABC from RACFID.JCL. If somebody who does not know RACFID.JCL but he can see ran job in spool/history/SAR, how can he trace that job submitted from RACFID.JCL.

If still not clear please let me know.

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What would you with such an information? In which PDS job resides, knowing this, would serve you what?
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It hepls if the job in spool/history/SAR is the same which I want to test so I can save my time. I have to use new loads. In case I have to submit some 15-20 jobs than it saves a lot time ,if somebody already have test setup for those jobs.
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Hello,

Quote:
I want to know from which location means PDS details that job submitted.
"We can't always get whant we want. . ."
-from The Rolling Stones

Why are these jobs that require multiple submissions not yet in some standard pds so that everyone for sure submits the correct/current process?

If the output is in sdsf, simply type SJ to the left of the job and the actual submitted jcl will be brought in to work with. . .
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 8:12 pm    Post subject:
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But if you are going to test something different from the previous tester, then there will be differences between the two submitted jobs.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 9:15 pm    Post subject:
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Thanks to all for your post and trying to answer my problem. If anybody know how can I trace from where the job submitted by seeing job messages in spool/SAR. If still not clear please let me know.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 9:24 pm    Post subject:
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As far as I am aware, what you are asking is not tracked nor recorded anywhere in the system. The system doesn't really care which PDS or sequential file was submitted; all that matters is that a job hit the queue and needs to be assigned priority, an initiator, resources, ...

If the job is running under scheduler control, the scheduler will know which PDS the job came out of, but if you're just submitting (via TSO SUBMIT commands, internal reader copy in batch jobs, CICS SPOOLWRITE commands, FTP to JES, or whatever) a job the system does not know the source of the JCL.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 9:32 pm    Post subject:
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Thanks a lot Robert
I agree with you.
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