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jonna
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HI,
If I will male BLKSIZE is ZERO in JCL for perticular dataset will it loose any data on output file.
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Mahee |
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dick scherrer
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Hello,
No. But why would you ask? Has something strange happened? |
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jonna
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Hello,
No. But why would you ask? Has something strange happened? |
We are planing some performance improvements from my existing datasets which having BLKSIZE greater than zero. If you will change BLKSIZE zero it will take less CPU time. Just I need to confirm if I will do this change it will cause any problem like data loss in output datasets. Thanks for your reply. |
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gcicchet
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Hi,
if data is lost it will definitely run quicker. 
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dick scherrer
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| If you will change BLKSIZE zero it will take less CPU time. |
What source provided this information?
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| if data is lost it will definitely run quicker. |
That's just not right. . .  |
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Garry Carroll
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| If you will change BLKSIZE zero it will take less CPU time. |
It's more likely to reduce elapsed time by reducing the number of EXCPs.
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if data is lost it will definitely run quicker.
That's just not right. . . icon_wink.gif |
I agree. The process of losing data (which I doubt would happen) can take just as long.
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Robert Sample
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| We are planing some performance improvements from my existing datasets which having BLKSIZE greater than zero. If you will change BLKSIZE zero it will take less CPU time. Just I need to confirm if I will do this change it will cause any problem like data loss in output datasets. Thanks for your reply. |
Performance improvements will depend on what your current block size is. SMS-controlled datasets will use half-track blocking when BLKSIZE=0 is used in JCL. As long as the program can handle this (COBOL needs BLOCK CONTAINS 0 RECORDS, for example), there's no difference to the system whether BLKSIZE=????? or BLKSIZE=0 is coded. If the block size is already half-track blocking, you won't see any performance advantage to BLKSIZE=0. And unless the program expects a specific block size you won't lose any data no matter what block size is used.
What's the buffers set to (DCB=BUFNO=??)? In my experience, buffering has a much bigger impact on performance than block size (other than one record per block), and the default QSAM 5 buffers provides really bad performance. BUFNO=30 is typically a decent number and the memory increase usually doesn't impact the program. |
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Pedro
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None of you made his point clear:
blksize=0 does not mean the blocksize will be zero. It tells the system to determine what the best blocksize is and use that. After the job runs, the dataset will have a proper blocksize. |
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Anuj D.
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Hi,
Said bit differently..
BLKSIZE=0 can often cause problems if the dataset is not opened and closed unless your SMS environment has been correctly established.
If it has not, then the BLKSIZE=0 will be honoured and the dataset will have that attribute, which makes the dataset invalid for processing by DFHSM, or whatever other ILM software you use.
The correct coding is RECFM=xx,LRECL=nnn. |
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Anuj D.
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Hi,
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| We are planing some performance improvements from my existing datasets which having BLKSIZE greater than zero. If you will change BLKSIZE zero it will take less CPU time. Just I need to confirm if I will do this change it will cause any problem like data loss in output datasets. |
Check this article, might provide you some insght regarding the BLKSIZE
http://esj.com/article.aspx?ID=5220025647PM |
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expat
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Mmmmmmmmmmmmmm, BUFNO, with the modern DASD subsystems of today the BUFNO parameter is not really that useful, asuming that the DASD subsystems are set up correctly.
Using FASTWRITE and the DASD subsystem cache efficiently then the majority of the work will be handled by the subsystem itself ratherthan by z/OS. |
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Garry Carroll
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Mmmmmmmmmmmmmm, BUFNO, with the modern DASD subsystems of today the BUFNO parameter is not really that useful, asuming that the DASD subsystems are set up correctly.
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I would have thought that BUFNO can be quite useful where the BLKSIZE is less than optimum as it can facilitate optimization of the dataflow on the channel(s). Where, say, BLKSIZE is half the optimum size, doubling the BUFNO should result in the movement of that amount of data in a single operation as would have been moved had the BLKSIZE been optimized.
Garry. |
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expat
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| Garry Carroll wrote: |
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Mmmmmmmmmmmmmm, BUFNO, with the modern DASD subsystems of today the BUFNO parameter is not really that useful, asuming that the DASD subsystems are set up correctly.
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I would have thought that BUFNO can be quite useful where the BLKSIZE is less than optimum as it can facilitate optimization of the dataflow on the channel(s). Where, say, BLKSIZE is half the optimum size, doubling the BUFNO should result in the movement of that amount of data in a single operation as would have been moved had the BLKSIZE been optimized.
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Yeah, silly me .............. I had made the rather rash assumption that all of your above points would have been done anyway. I have found that the default of BUFNO=5 hasn't caused me any problems yet  |
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revathitcs
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dick scherrer
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Hello revathitcs and welcome to the forums,
Is your post a question or are you offering some kind of information?
When you post, you need to use complete sentences. . . |
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