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Peter.Mann

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 8:38 pm    Post subject: Top Version control/Change managment products
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Good morning folks!
my company is looking to replace our current ChangeMan product with some other vendor product for the mainframe. I've found a list of about 10 products available from different vendors that will fit our need, but I"m wondering what product most folks here use and why?
Thank you in advance for any advice
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 9:04 pm    Post subject:
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My client uses home-grown tools, one for version control and one for production release; it feels (and I have no data to judge) that the cost of in-house development and support is less than what a third party would charge for its product.
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dick scherrer

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 10:28 pm    Post subject:
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Hello,

Why is there interest in changing products?
The organization really needs to thoroughly understand what they are looking for and not just what someone else uses.

If you want to change products, suggest you look into the Kepner-Tregoe decision analysis methodology to help making the decisino. Done correctly, this will give an objective decision.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 10:53 pm    Post subject:
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dick scherrer wrote:
Hello,

Why is there interest in changing products?
The organization really needs to thoroughly understand what they are looking for and not just what someone else uses.

If you want to change products, suggest you look into the Kepner-Tregoe decision analysis methodology to help making the decisino. Done correctly, this will give an objective decision.

Thanks for your reply Akatsukami!

Hi Dick, thanks for your insight, I doubt this will go much further than a query of what other folks are using, the interest is purely monetary, can't say much more. I'll follow up on your suggestion, thanks for your response.
Pete
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 11:30 pm    Post subject:
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Hello,

You're welcome icon_smile.gif

Quote:
the interest is purely monetary
Which often leads to a decision that satisfies no one . . . fwiw
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2013 12:11 am    Post subject:
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Hello,
IMHO I find Endevor easy to use than Changeman.

Functionally I think Endevor can do all the things that Changeman can do. But the panels, the terminology the interfaces are totally different and would require training of all the users + most probably you would need an Endevor admin to manage the product libraries & databases.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2013 12:48 am    Post subject:
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dick scherrer wrote:
Hello,

You're welcome icon_smile.gif

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the interest is purely monetary
Which often leads to a decision that satisfies no one . . . fwiw


absoliutly agree Dick, anyone who's been in the biz as long as us have been there, dont that!
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2013 12:51 am    Post subject:
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vasanthz wrote:
Hello,
IMHO I find Endevor easy to use than Changeman.

Functionally I think Endevor can do all the things that Changeman can do. But the panels, the terminology the interfaces are totally different and would require training of all the users + most probably you would need an Endevor admin to manage the product libraries & databases.

Vasanthz thanks for your insight! I don't know how much Endevor has changed since 2000, but I found it was very intuitive, easy to support, and the mainframe developers liked the product well enougph.
Again Thanks
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Stefan

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2013 2:38 pm    Post subject:
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I've used SCLM for two decades now on different sites and for different needs. It is easy to customize, fully integrated into ISPF-based editing on PDS, allows easy integration of self-written additions, includes library management, source control, versioning, auditing, and packaging. As it is so tightly integrated in ISPF it is quite easy to use the ISPF builtin workstation interface to expand source management to PC file systems and to add alternate source editors.
And best of all: It's an integral part of ISPF and thus comes free of additional charge.
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Stefan wrote:
I've used SCLM for two decades now on different sites and for different needs. It is easy to customize, fully integrated into ISPF-based editing on PDS, allows easy integration of self-written additions, includes library management, source control, versioning, auditing, and packaging. As it is so tightly integrated in ISPF it is quite easy to use the ISPF builtin workstation interface to expand source management to PC file systems and to add alternate source editors.
And best of all: It's an integral part of ISPF and thus comes free of additional charge.

Great! thanks Stefan, I think the folks here used SCLM prior to ChangeMan and they liked it, everyone was use to it. Thanks again for your input!
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There are many Change Management products in the market - ChangeMan, ENDEVOR, ASG, CCC/Harvest, Cybermation Alchemist, Proteus(Fundi), SCLM, Rational ClearCase, ISPW. Possibly, you'd like to explore them one by one.
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Anuj Dhawan wrote:
There are many Change Management products in the market - ChangeMan, ENDEVOR, ASG, CCC/Harvest, Cybermation Alchemist, Proteus(Fundi), SCLM, Rational ClearCase, ISPW. Possibly, you'd like to explore them one by one.

Indeed there are, I'm trying to narrow down the list to the top product for mainframe only, the Open systems currently is using subversion and has no intention of using a product that will perform change/version control across all platforms. I've supported, and or performed POC and trial for most of the tools mentioned, of these fine suggestions, I've narrowed it down to 3 for now.
Thanks so much for your valuable input.
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You're welcome and good luck! icon_smile.gif

Keep us posted when you make the progress.
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i have worked in two big shops and both use Endevor. CA has now got IBM to package it with it's eclipse based IDE "Rational Developer for System Z" as Common Access Repository Manager (CARMA) Endevor. we have started rolling out this IDE and colleagues who used it first didn't had any issues.
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charanmsrit wrote:
i have worked in two big shops and both use Endevor. CA has now got IBM to package it with it's eclipse based IDE "Rational Developer for System Z" as Common Access Repository Manager (CARMA) Endevor. we have started rolling out this IDE and colleagues who used it first didn't had any issues.

Thanks Charanmsrit, we're meeting with CA, IBM, and ASG in the next couple weeks, most folks seem to lean towards the CA solution Endevor, I've worked at a shop that POC'd RTC/z and was qucikly discounted by the mainframe folks, too many changes to meet the entrerprise requirments. I'll keep you posted on the progress.
Again thanks and thanks to everyone's valuable input, I really appriciate it
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