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magesh23586

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 10:41 am
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Hi, We are using Sort in Cobol program, We were using following Sort workspace. Some times we were getting space abends, We were increasing it to 1000 cyl

Code:

SORTWK1  DD  UNIT=SYSDA,SPACE=(CYL,(500,500),RLSE)
SORTWK2  DD  UNIT=SYSDA,SPACE=(CYL,(500,500),RLSE)
SORTWK3  DD  UNIT=SYSDA,SPACE=(CYL,(500,500),RLSE)
SORTWK4  DD  UNIT=SYSDA,SPACE=(CYL,(500,500),RLSE)
SORTWK5  DD  UNIT=SYSDA,SPACE=(CYL,(500,500),RLSE)
SORTWK6  DD  UNIT=SYSDA,SPACE=(CYL,(500,500),RLSE)


I tried using following code, job is running fine, But i need to know what is exact number we need to give in dynalloc, I have given 16 here, But need to understand the significance and what else i need to look if i use dynalloc.

Code:

//DFSPARM DD *                                               
   OPTION DYNALLOC=(,16)                                     
/*                                                           


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 5:23 pm
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AFAIK, it is usually recommend not specifying SORTWKdd DD statements, they way SORT can use dynamically allocated work data sets.

Siad that, if you specify SORTWKdd DD statements, SORT will use them and NOT use dynamically allocated work data sets unless your site has set DYNAUTO=IGNWKDD as the installation default. With DYNAUTO=IGNWKDD, SORT deallocates the SORTWKdd DD data sets and use dynamically allocated work data sets.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 5:40 pm
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magesh23586 wrote:
I tried using following code, job is running fine, But i need to know what is exact number we need to give in dynalloc, I have given 16 here, But need to understand the significance and what else i need to look if i use dynalloc.

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//DFSPARM DD *                                               
   OPTION DYNALLOC=(,16)                                     
/*                                                           

Sri Kolusu or Mr. Woodger may be to advise you better. However, the second sub-parameter of DYNALLOC is the number of dynamically-allocated work data sets (the first is the device type, which you'll generally not want to use). The total amount of space is determined by:
  1. The FILSZ and LRECL (for VB input, an average record length of AVGRLEN or, if that is not specified, half the LRECL is assumed); failing that
  2. The DYNSPC parameter (specified in megabytes) in the control deck; failing that
  3. The default that your sysprogs established at installation time
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:12 pm
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I'm not exactly sure what the question is. There is material in the manuals on work dataset allocations.

Did you take out the SORTWKn datasets from the JCL?

Seeing the sysout from a failure and from a success would help if you have something specific for the Cobol programs. Also whether you are using compiler option FASTSRT, and exactly what you have coded related to the SORT/MERGE statements in your Cobol programs.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 11:07 pm
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magesh23586,

There isn't enough information to suggest anything. Since It is program invoked sort, I am guessing that you aren't passing the FILESIZE. Dynamic allocation is the way to go.

Please Run the following job which will list your shop installation defaults
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//STEP0100 EXEC PGM=ICETOOL
//TOOLMSG   DD SYSOUT=*     
//DFSMSG    DD SYSOUT=*     
//OUT       DD SYSOUT=*     
//TOOLIN    DD *           
  DEFAULTS LIST(OUT)       
//*


The fields of interest are DSA ,DYNALOC, DYNAUTO, DYNSPC, MAXLIM, MINLIM, MOSIZE
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 12:47 pm
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Please find the below JCL

Code:

//XXXXXX EXEC PGM=yyyyyyy,REGION=4096K           
//*                                                 
//SYSOUT   DD  SYSOUT=*                             
//SYSPRINT DD  SYSOUT=*                             
//SYSUDUMP DD  SYSOUT=D                             
//SYSDBOUT DD  SYSOUT=*                             
//*                                                 
//***************************                       
//* INPUT FILES             *                       
//***************************                       
//*                                                 
//IXXXXX   DD  DSN=YYYY.ZZZZZ.FILE,     
//             DISP=SHR                             
//*                                                 
//IXXXXX  DD  DSN=YYYY.QQQQQQQ.ZZZZZZ,
//             DISP=SHR                                   
//*                                                       
//LXXXXX   DD  DSN=YYYY.PARMLIB(zzzzzz),                 
//             DISP=SHR                                   
//*                                                       
//IXXXXX  DD  DSN=YYYYYYYYYYYYYY,     
//             DISP=SHR                                   
//*                                                       
//ILPDOFF  DD  DUMMY                                       
//*                                                       
//SORTWK1  DD  UNIT=SYSDA,SPACE=(CYL,(500,500),RLSE)       
//SORTWK2  DD  UNIT=SYSDA,SPACE=(CYL,(500,500),RLSE)       
//SORTWK3  DD  UNIT=SYSDA,SPACE=(CYL,(500,500),RLSE)       
//SORTWK4  DD  UNIT=SYSDA,SPACE=(CYL,(500,500),RLSE)       
//SORTWK5  DD  UNIT=SYSDA,SPACE=(CYL,(500,500),RLSE)       
//SORTWK6  DD  UNIT=SYSDA,SPACE=(CYL,(500,500),RLSE)       
//*                                                         
//***************************                               
//*  OUTPUT FILES           *                               
//***************************                               
//*                                                         
//LSOSRCH  DD  DSN=YYYY.SEARCH.FILE,                 
//             DISP=SHR                                     
//*                                                         
//LSSPRT1  DD  SYSOUT=*                                     
//*                                                         
*                               
//*************************** 




Program

Code:

FILE-CONTROL.
   SELECT SORT-WORK-FILE   ASSIGN TO UT-S-SORTWK01.


SD  SORT-WORK-FILE                         
    RECORD CONTAINS 250 CHARACTERS         
    LABEL RECORDS ARE STANDARD.             
                                           
01  SORT-RECORD.                           
    05  FILLER              PIC X(08).     
    05  SORT-KEY            PIC X(46).     
    05  FILLER              PIC X(196).     


     SORT SORT-WORK-FILE     ASCENDING KEY SORT-KEY         
                             INPUT PROCEDURE M100-INPUT     
                             OUTPUT PROCEDURE M300-OUTPUT.   
                                                             

        IF SORT-RETURN NOT EQUAL ZERO                       
        DISPLAY 'SORT FAILED.RETURN CODE = ' SORT-RETURN 
        DISPLAY 'ABENDING PROGRAM yyyyyyy'               
        MOVE 'ILBOABN0' TO DYNA                           
        MOVE '2001'     TO WS-ABEND-CODE                 
        CALL DYNA USING WS-ABEND-CODE.                   
                             


Abend
Code:


***********abend*************
SVM4865I CHANGED SPACE FROM 500 CYLS TO 211                                   
SVM4000I YYYYYY, STEP30.YYYYYYY, SORTWK3, ATTEMPTING SPACSECB FOR SYS13049.T2
         TEMP76, 3                                                             
SVM4868I SPACSEB SPACE REQUEST WENT BELOW LIMIT                               
SVM4000I YYYYYY, STEP30.YYYYYYY, SORTWK3, ATTEMPTING SPACSECR FOR SYS13049.T2
         TEMP76, 3                                                             
SVM4001I RECOVERY ATTEMPT FAILED TO PASS FLST/RLST CRITERIA                   
SVM4000I ZZZZZZ, STEP30.YYYYYYY, SORTWK3, ATTEMPTING SPACVOLA FOR SYS13049.T2
         TEMP76, 3                                                             
SVM4452I RECOVERY TERMINATED: DATA SET BEING PROCESSED BY EXCP                 
IEC030I B37-04,IFG0554A,XXXXXX,YYYYYY,SORTWK3,4E3D,TEMP76,E6002130,SYS13049.
+ICE097I 1 XXXXXX .STEP30   SORT RECOVERING FROM B37 ABEND ON SORTWK DATA SET
IOS000I 395D,9A,CMD,E7,0E00,,05020000,TEMP67,YYYYYYY ,  637                   
OPS1370H MSTJCL00 X'5040' X'1001' X'0000' NONE  300            IOS000I 395D, CO
IOS000I 395D, COMMAND REJECT,TEMP67,YYYYYY                                   
 800000005D02500400FF004000000004E560A78B01090F04000040E200050200             
+AB400A      ===== ABEND-AID =====  641                                       
   JOB-ZZZZZZ  STEP-YYYYYYY   


.SARPAGE 23             DS=SYSOUT  .STEP30  .yyyyyyy/0000127                   
.ICE143I 0 BLOCKSET     SORT  TECHNIQUE SELECTED                               
.ICE250I 0 VISIT http://www.ibm.com/storage/dfsort FOR DFSORT PAPERS, EXAMPLES A
.ICE000I 0 - CONTROL STATEMENTS FOR 5694-A01, Z/OS DFSORT V1R5 - 20:07 ON MON FE
.          SORT FIELDS=(0009,0046,CH,A)                                         
.          RECORD TYPE=F,LENGTH=(000250,,)                                     
.ICE201I G RECORD TYPE IS F - DATA STARTS IN POSITION 1                         
.ICE118I 0 UNKNOWN FILE SIZE - FILSZ=EN MAY IMPROVE RESOURCE USAGE AND PERFORMAN
.ICE751I 0 C5-K51706 C6-K51706 C7-K51706 C8-K51706 E4-K51706 C9-BASE   E5-K51706
.ICE193I 0 ICEAM2 ENVIRONMENT IN EFFECT - ICEAM2 INSTALLATION MODULE SELECTED   
.ICE089I 5 ZZZZZZ .STEP30  .YYYYYYY, INPUT LRECL = 250, TYPE = F             
.ICE093I 0 MAIN STORAGE = (MAX,6291456,6291456)                                 
.ICE156I 0 MAIN STORAGE ABOVE 16MB = (6205590,6205590)                         
.ICE127I 0 OPTIONS: OVFLO=RC0 ,PAD=RC0 ,TRUNC=RC0 ,SPANINC=RC16,VLSCMP=N,SZERO=Y
.ICE128I 0 OPTIONS: SIZE=6291456,MAXLIM=1048576,MINLIM=450560,EQUALS=Y,LIST=Y,ER
.ICE129I 0 OPTIONS: VIO=N,RESDNT=ALL ,SMF=NO   ,WRKSEC=Y,OUTSEC=Y,VERIFY=N,CHALT
.ICE130I 0 OPTIONS: RESALL=8192,RESINV=32768,SVC=109 ,CHECK=Y,WRKREL=Y,OUTREL=Y,
.ICE131I 0 OPTIONS: TMAXLIM=6291456,ARESALL=0,ARESINV=0,OVERRGN=16384,CINV=Y,CFW
ICE132I 0 OPTIONS: VLSHRT=N,ZDPRINT=Y,IEXIT=N,TEXIT=N,LISTX=N,EFS=NONE    ,EXIT
ICE133I 0 OPTIONS: HIPRMAX=OPTIMAL,DSPSIZE=MAX ,ODMAXBF=0,SOLRF=Y,VLLONG=N,VSAM
ICE235I 0 OPTIONS: NULLOUT=RC0                                                 
ICE750I 0 DC 0 TC 0 CS DSVVV KSZ 50 VSZ 50                                     
ICE752I 0 FSZ=0 RE  IGN=0 C  AVG=256 0  WSP=0 E  DYN=0 0                       
ICE061A 3 I/O ERROR, DD SORTWK4 , DEV 395D, ECB 41, CSW 0E00, SENSE 8000       
ICE751I 1 BA-K22788 BB-K44382 D3-K24705 E1-K24705 D6-K24705 E8-K51706         
ICE052I 0 END OF DFSORT                                                       
SORT FAILED.RETURN CODE = 00016                                               
ABENDING PROGRAM YYYYYYY                                                     
CEE3250C The system or user abend U2001 R=00000000 was issued.                 
         From compile unit YYYYYYY at entry point YYYYYYY at compile unit off
          at address 189060A0.                                                 
<> LEAID ENTERED (LEVEL 08/11/2010 AT 10.57)                                   
<> LEAID PROCESSING COMPLETE. RC=0                                                                                 



ICETOOL Inst

Code:


ITEM           JCL (ICEAM1)             INV (ICEAM2)             TSO (ICEAM3) 
----------     --------------------     --------------------     --------------
DSA            64                       64                       64           
DSPSIZE        MAX                      MAX                      MAX           
DYNALOC        (SYSDA,4)                (SYSDA,4)                (SYSDA,4)     
DYNAUTO        YES                      YES                      YES           
DYNSPC         256                      256                      256           
MAXLIM         2097152                  1048576                  1048576       
MINLIM         450560                   450560                   450560       
MOSIZE         MAX                      MAX                      MAX           
MSGCON         NONE                     NONE                     NONE         



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 2:39 pm
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My Question is
1. May i use Dynalloc in this senario rather than using sortworspace, Will it Fix my problem permenantly.

2. If I can use Dynalloc, i need to know what is the exact number we need to give in dynalloc(,16) or (,32) or ? and what else parameter i should pass to increase the performance.

Temporarily we are fixing it by increasing the workspace from CYL(500,500) to CYL(500,800).

The Result of the successful run after changing to 800 Cyls follows.
Code:

SARPAGE 10             DS=SYSOUT  .STEP30  .YYYYYYY/0000113                   
ICE143I 0 BLOCKSET     SORT  TECHNIQUE SELECTED                               
ICE250I 0 VISIT http://www.ibm.com/storage/dfsort FOR DFSORT PAPERS, EXAMPLES A
ICE000I 0 - CONTROL STATEMENTS FOR 5694-A01, Z/OS DFSORT V1R5 - 20:18 ON MON FE
          SORT FIELDS=(0009,0046,CH,A)                                         
          RECORD TYPE=F,LENGTH=(000250,,)                                     
ICE201I G RECORD TYPE IS F - DATA STARTS IN POSITION 1                         
ICE118I 0 UNKNOWN FILE SIZE - FILSZ=EN MAY IMPROVE RESOURCE USAGE AND PERFORMAN
ICE751I 0 C5-K51706 C6-K51706 C7-K51706 C8-K51706 E4-K51706 C9-BASE   E5-K51706
ICE193I 0 ICEAM2 ENVIRONMENT IN EFFECT - ICEAM2 INSTALLATION MODULE SELECTED   
ICE089I 5 MLS132P .STEP30  .YYYYYYY, INPUT LRECL = 250, TYPE = F             
ICE093I 0 MAIN STORAGE = (MAX,6291456,6291456)                                 
ICE156I 0 MAIN STORAGE ABOVE 16MB = (6199854,6199854)                         
ICE127I 0 OPTIONS: OVFLO=RC0 ,PAD=RC0 ,TRUNC=RC0 ,SPANINC=RC16,VLSCMP=N,SZERO=Y
ICE128I 0 OPTIONS: SIZE=6291456,MAXLIM=1048576,MINLIM=450560,EQUALS=Y,LIST=Y,ER
ICE129I 0 OPTIONS: VIO=N,RESDNT=ALL ,SMF=NO   ,WRKSEC=Y,OUTSEC=Y,VERIFY=N,CHALT
ICE130I 0 OPTIONS: RESALL=8192,RESINV=32768,SVC=109 ,CHECK=Y,WRKREL=Y,OUTREL=Y,
ICE131I 0 OPTIONS: TMAXLIM=6291456,ARESALL=0,ARESINV=0,OVERRGN=16384,CINV=Y,CFW
.ICE131I 0 OPTIONS: TMAXLIM=6291456,ARESALL=0,ARESINV=0,OVERRGN=16384,CINV=Y,CFW
.ICE132I 0 OPTIONS: VLSHRT=N,ZDPRINT=Y,IEXIT=N,TEXIT=N,LISTX=N,EFS=NONE    ,EXIT
.ICE133I 0 OPTIONS: HIPRMAX=OPTIMAL,DSPSIZE=MAX ,ODMAXBF=0,SOLRF=Y,VLLONG=N,VSAM
.ICE235I 0 OPTIONS: NULLOUT=RC0                                                 
.ICE750I 0 DC 0 TC 0 CS DSVVV KSZ 50 VSZ 50                                     
.ICE752I 0 FSZ=0 RE  IGN=0 C  AVG=256 0  WSP=0 E  DYN=0 0                       
.ICE751I 1 BA-K22788 BB-K44382 D3-K24705 E1-K24705 D6-K24705 D3-K24705 D7-K24705
.ICE091I 0 OUTPUT LRECL = 250, TYPE = F                                         
.ICE055I 0 INSERT 19926818, DELETE 19926818                                     
.ICE054I 0 RECORDS - IN: 0, OUT: 0                                             
.ICE134I 0 NUMBER OF BYTES SORTED: 4981704500                                   
.ICE165I 0 TOTAL WORK DATA SET TRACKS ALLOCATED: 200970 , TRACKS USED: 189240   
.ICE199I 0 MEMORY OBJECT STORAGE USED = 16M BYTES                               
.ICE180I 0 HIPERSPACE STORAGE USED = 0K BYTES                                   
.ICE188I 0 DATA SPACE STORAGE USED = 0K BYTES                                   
.ICE052I 0 END OF DFSORT


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enrico-sorichetti

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 2:42 pm
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why not involve Your support ??
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DYNALOC        (SYSDA,4)                (SYSDA,4)                (SYSDA,4)   


the defaults used seem pretty underestimated IMO.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 4:23 pm
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You need to read what Kolusu wrote.

You need to read Appendix A, Using Work Space, and Chapter 6, Invoking DFSORT from a Program, of the DFSORT Application Programming Guide.

You need to look at the Cobol manuals for your version, paying attention to "special registers" which start with the word SORT, the SORT and MERGE verbs, and the FASTSRT compiler option.

Don't arrange to change any of those defaults you showed unless you fully understand their impacts.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 11:07 pm
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rereading the whole topic...
things are complicated by some add on product ...
see the SVM..... messages

usually the <space managers> are told to ignore sortwk
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:11 am
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There are so many problems with your job.

1. As enrico pointed out, your shop space manager is restricting the allocation of your sortworks from 500 to 211 of the primary and your secondary is not even considered.

2.
Code:
ICE118I 0 UNKNOWN FILE SIZE - FILSZ=EN MAY IMPROVE RESOURCE USAGE AND PERFORMAN


As suspected you are not passing filesize and your shop restricts the sort works, how do you expect the job to complete? DFSORT cannot dynamically allocate the sortworks as it does NOT know what the file size is. And your JCL sort works aren't enough.

3. Your successful run shows that you have about 20 million records with a size of 4.6 gigs of data to be sorted. You would need about 7623 cylinders to complete the sort. Given how your shop restricts the primary allocation I suggest you code 8 work datasets each with 900 cylinders as primary

Code:

//SORTWK1  DD  UNIT=SYSDA,SPACE=(CYL,(900,100),RLSE)
...
//SORTWK8  DD  UNIT=SYSDA,SPACE=(CYL,(900,100),RLSE)


4. Alternatively you can use pass the estimated filesize like 24 million records considering a 20% increase of your current filesize and Dynalloc of 16 and pass it via DFSPARM like shown below

Code:

//DFSPARM  DD *                             
  OPTION DYNALLOC=(,16),FILSZ=E24000000
//*
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 12:52 pm
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Thankyou very Much to all for your kind suggessions and advice. This is really useful information.

I have some clarifications.

1. I could see in the Foot print with following error message.
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SORT SORT-WORK-FILE     ASCENDING KEY SORT-KEY

5409  IGYPG3133-I   THE "USING" PHRASE WAS NOT SPECIFIED FOR THE "SORT" STATEMENT.  THE           "INPUT PROCEDURE" WAS INELIGIB "FASTSRT" COMPILER OPTION.               
5409  IGYPG3132-I   THE "GIVING" PHRASE WAS NOT SPECIFIED FOR THE "SORT" STATEMENT.  THE "OUTPUT PROCEDURE" WAS INELIG "FASTSRT" COMPILER OPTION.                                     

INPUT PROCEDURE M100-INPUT   
OUTPUT PROCEDURE M300-OUTPUT.



So I belive, It is not using Fastsrt compiler option, And this procedure is bit complex to covert it to fastsrt.
My understanding is still, I can use Dynalloc.. Please advice.

2. enrico has mentioned shop space manager is restricting the allocation of your sortworks,
what should i do to prevent that error.

Also he has mentioned Default is under estimated IMO, what should be the correct value.
Code:

DYNALOC        (SYSDA,4)                (SYSDA,4)                (SYSDA,4)


3.
Instead of this sort work space i feel Dynamic allocation is better.
May I request system programmer to change DYNAUTO=IGNWKDD in the installation, If at all i ask do that, what is the impact analysis i should do ?

Please advice.

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Magesh
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:14 pm
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  1. Yes, you can still use dynamic workspace allocation without FASTSRT.
  2. Talk to your site support people for how to restrict any "space management".
  3. Put the suggestion to your boss. If you get assigned the task, I'd be surprised, as it comes down to "Production JCL" which you're probably not responsible for. See my comment in my previous post as well.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 11:05 pm
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magesh23586,

You seem to completely ignore the most obvious problem. (ICE118I ) even though I pointed it out twice to you. Good Luck.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 12:19 pm
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Hi SKolusu,

Sorry that my communication looks ignoring your point. I am currently using the same code as advised by you.I was actually testing your solution in test environment, Since there were number of input files involved, testing takes some time, thought of updating you after the test result.

Thankyou very much for kind advice.

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Magesh
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 11:09 pm
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magesh23586,

Just so you know z/OS DFSORT V1R5 is out of service since September 2010
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 5:07 pm
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Hi Kolusu,

The Solution provided by you has worked very well, Changes are in prod now, Thank you very much for your kind support.

We have achived 25% CPU reduction and 60% workspace reduction for that job

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Thanks for letting us know.

Any chance of getting onto a supported release of DFSORT?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 4:34 pm
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Sorry for the delayed response, after several escalations, we finally got the dfsort upgraded.

Code:

ICE200I 0 IDENTIFIER FROM CALLING PROGRAM IS 0001                           
ICE143I 0 BLOCKSET     SORT  TECHNIQUE SELECTED                             
ICE250I 0 VISIT http://www.ibm.com/storage/dfsort FOR DFSORT PAPERS, EXAMPLES
ICE000I 0 - CONTROL STATEMENTS FOR 5694-A01, Z/OS DFSORT V1R10 - 20:38 ON WED


Anyway thanks to kolusu and Bill for informing this.

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magesh23586 wrote:
Sorry for the delayed response, after several escalations, we finally got the dfsort upgraded.

Code:

ICE200I 0 IDENTIFIER FROM CALLING PROGRAM IS 0001                           
ICE143I 0 BLOCKSET     SORT  TECHNIQUE SELECTED                             
ICE250I 0 VISIT http://www.ibm.com/storage/dfsort FOR DFSORT PAPERS, EXAMPLES
ICE000I 0 - CONTROL STATEMENTS FOR 5694-A01, Z/OS DFSORT V1R10 - 20:38 ON WED


Anyway thanks to kolusu and Bill for informing this.

Regards,
Magesh



Magesh,

Do you realize that DFSORT V1R10 is also out of service as of September 30th 2011?
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Ah.. sorry, I've been waiting all day for that. I hope your ribs are OK.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 07, 2014 4:12 pm
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But how a firm can update an outdated software... icon_sad.gif. First how do they get an outdated softwares...

Really strange... Anyway thanks, i will check the same.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 07, 2014 8:06 pm
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Hello,

Outdated softwate happens when an norganization decides to Not keep their software current.

As time passes the software will become outdated.

Having current software needs to be a planned activity. This is not usually done by developers but rather the system support people. The developers Do need to test the upgrade before it is made generally available to "everyone".
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