Portal | Manuals | References | Downloads | Info | Programs | JCLs | Master the Mainframes
IBM Mainframe Computers Forums Index
 
Register
 
IBM Mainframe Computers Forums Index Mainframe: Search IBM Mainframe Forum: FAQ Memberlist Usergroups Profile Log in to check your private messages Log in
 

 

CA-MICS vs MXG

 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    IBMMAINFRAMES.com Support Forums -> CA Products
View previous topic :: :: View next topic  
Author Message
vasanthz

Global Moderator


Joined: 28 Aug 2007
Posts: 1445
Location: Azeroth

PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 3:16 pm    Post subject: CA-MICS vs MXG
Reply with quote

Hi,

From your experience could you please let me know the advantages of MXG over MICS and advantages of MICS over MXG.

Few of the points which I am aware are,
Cost of MXG is much cheaper than MICS.
MXG is easy to main and upgrade.

I have used both MICS and MXG on a newbie level, but unable to conclude any findings.

If you could please shed some light on the comparitive resource usage(CPU, Memory) by both the products, then it would be very helpful.
Sharing some past experiences would suffice.

This might be a big topic to discuss in a forum, but I don't want to email CA-MICS or MXG guys, since the replies would most likely be biased towards the respective products.

Thanks & Regards,
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message

enrico-sorichetti

Global Moderator


Joined: 14 Mar 2007
Posts: 10201
Location: italy

PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply to: CA-MICS vs MXG
Reply with quote

question about comparison of competitive products are not usually welcomed

user/FAN 's point of view are too often more biased than the point of view of the provider
given that they quite often see just one side of the whole thing

different products might <behave> differently in different environments/situations

so generally speaking the pros of one product might be the cons of the other one


as far as the price
MXG requires SAS and SAS is not cheap
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
vasanthz

Global Moderator


Joined: 28 Aug 2007
Posts: 1445
Location: Azeroth

PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 3:40 pm    Post subject:
Reply with quote

Hi Enrico,
Thanks for your thoughts.

I just want to know personal experience of people who have used both the products.

Both MXG and MICS use SAS as a back-end for processing. So SAS license costing is same for both the products.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
vasanthz

Global Moderator


Joined: 28 Aug 2007
Posts: 1445
Location: Azeroth

PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:23 am    Post subject:
Reply with quote

One intriguing question was,

CA-MICS costs some $100K i think, but MXG around $4K i think (fixed price irrespective of lpar capacity) open to corrections here.

and both products use SAS as base and does almost the same thing(except for the minor way in which data is summarised). But why do shops still use MICS?, Just trying to understand the benefit which makes companies pay 100K rather than some 4K.

Any thoughts/inputs/corrections//guesses/anything on this is welcome.

Thanks
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Robert Sample

Global Moderator


Joined: 06 Jun 2008
Posts: 7904
Location: Bellevue, IA

PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:45 am    Post subject:
Reply with quote

I've used both MICS and MXG, and they both do the data capture, analysis, and planning. I suspect CA sells based on (1) the CA name, and (2) additional reporting capacity. They both require some customization to the site, but I don't think I've seen $96K more benefit to MICS over MXG. MXG is a very small company, but the times I've used their support it has been excellent -- Barry Merrill has called back within an hour of my reporting an issue.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
vasanthz

Global Moderator


Joined: 28 Aug 2007
Posts: 1445
Location: Azeroth

PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:55 pm    Post subject:
Reply with quote

Hi Robert,
Like you mentioned, The additional reporting capability might have some weightage(I have not used the MICS workstation facility though).

Quote:
my reporting an issue.
How does one possibly understand all those macros and able to find a bug on them icon_eek.gif
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Robert Sample

Global Moderator


Joined: 06 Jun 2008
Posts: 7904
Location: Bellevue, IA

PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 3:24 pm    Post subject:
Reply with quote

LOL, you don't understand the macros. When you have a problem in MXG, it is usually reported as a 999 return code from SAS as MXG had a problem with interpreting some of the SMF data.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
vasanthz

Global Moderator


Joined: 28 Aug 2007
Posts: 1445
Location: Azeroth

PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 4:56 pm    Post subject:
Reply with quote

Oh ok :-)
Good-guy-SAS always says user, where the error is and what to do.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
View previous topic :: :: View next topic  
Post new topic   Reply to topic    IBMMAINFRAMES.com Support Forums -> CA Products All times are GMT + 6 Hours
Page 1 of 1

 

Search our Forum:

Similar Topics
Topic Author Forum Replies Posted
No new posts MICS Version? vasanthz CA Products 0 Tue Nov 11, 2014 8:00 pm
No new posts CA MICS - JCLERR is not captured by J... ramprakashn CA Products 0 Thu Sep 19, 2013 7:00 pm


Facebook
Back to Top
 
Mainframe Wiki | Forum Rules | Bookmarks | Subscriptions | FAQ | Tutorials | Contact Us