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V S Amarendra Reddy

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 3:20 pm    Post subject: Retreive the ISPF session as it was before logoff
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Hi,

I think the current active ISPF session details will be stored in log dataset. After we logoff from ISPF, and when we relogin to ISPF, will there be anyway to retreive the previous login session.

For example, if we have 3 or 4 screens opened, one using 3.4 another endevor and another using file-aid for doing some analysis. Now if we are in between the analysis and if we need to logoff for the day. The next day when we login, will there be any way to get all the screens(even the datsets opened) opened at the same position where we left them.

I have searched this forum for ISPF log datsets and session logging, but I couldn't find much. Could anyone please help me?


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Amar
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply to: Retreive the ISPF session as it was before logoff
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I think the current active ISPF session details will be stored in log dataset.

why do You think so ?
be reminded that thinking is a very dangerous activity, and prone to get pretty sarcastic comments icon_wink.gif

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will there be anyway to retreive the previous login session.
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The next day when we login, will there be any way to get all the screens(even the datsets opened) opened at the same position where we left them.

no!


why in heaven would You want to leave a bunch of datasets opened and enqueued
( preventing anybody else from using them - backup process included )

topic will be locked shortly before it goes down the sink !
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply to: Retreive the ISPF session as it was before logoff
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One of the problems with HIBERNATE on a mainframe is that everyone has to want to finish their work at the same time :-)
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V S Amarendra Reddy

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 4:19 pm    Post subject:
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Hi Enrico,

May be I will change my thinking style to a little better way icon_smile.gif
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why in heaven would You want to leave a bunch of datasets opened and enqueued
( preventing anybody else from using them - backup process included )



Actually I don't want to leave any datasets open. I just wanted to check if the ISPF has the facility to log the details about what was the status before we logoff, such as the dataset that was in browse/view etc mode and in another screen a component in Endevor was opened. what exactly was the status of the ISPF session. If so, then when we relogin, if we can use the logging information to reopen all of them ONLY at that point of time automoatically using the logging information icon_smile.gif .

But anyways I understood that it is not possible. Thank you people for your comments. icon_smile.gif
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 4:20 pm    Post subject:
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Or may be using some Rexx or something to store them before we logoff?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 4:22 pm    Post subject:
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V S Amarendra Reddy wrote:
Or may be using some Rexx or something to store them before we logoff?


new question.
should not this be a new thread?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 4:43 pm    Post subject: Reply to: Retreive the ISPF session as it was before logoff
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the problem as I see it
is not checkpointing and restoring the ISPF session
but ... checkpointing and restoring the brain icon_cool.gif

and ... what about the installation of REXX
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 4:58 pm    Post subject:
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we have Rexx in our shop and thanks anyways for your suggestion of restoring the brain as I can see from your posts that it is one of your common comment to give almost every person who posts in this forum unlike other moderators. It is making the people to become hesitant or discouraged for posting their ideas. I've just posed my idea to see if it is possible. From your answer I understood that it is not possible. That helps the discussion before you come to a conclusion about or humiliating others . But I believe my idea is not totally bad.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply to: Retreive the ISPF session as it was before logoff
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little sense of humor eh !
and I was referring to the installation of REXX not on the maiframe but on the brain icon_wink.gif

my posting style has nothing to do with being a moderator.
when working for paying customer my ways were/are much more <rude>
no reason to waste their money on trivia

the same goes here, with the big difference that what gets wasted is OUR time

You ask, we reply on our time and free of charge
so we have more slack in posting style and replies

so I feel that I have all the right to comment on unreasonable requirement

there is nothing offensive in my post, that' Your problem not mine
do not wear a shoe if it does not fit You
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 5:11 pm    Post subject:
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VS,

I have taken a different approach.

Rather than trying to remember what my setup was when I logged off.

Which wouldn't work anyway because the process of backing out changes your setup.

What I do is I have a script written in my emulator (Reflection). It is a record/playback type script.

After I log on, I run this script (one mouse click). This sets up the same six screens in the same place every time.

This way I have the same starting setup every time.

I think this much better than remembering where I left off the last time.

With regard to our esteemed friend Enrico, do not let him bother you so much. It is his way of weeding out the silly posters and the same stupid questions.

If you are not a silly poster with a stupid question, then pay no never mind.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 5:20 pm    Post subject:
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Hi daveporcelan,

Thanks a ton for the information you've provided. It was the kind of the answer I've thought I'll get. You have provided me answer as well as your words influenced me very positive way. Thank you and I will keep in mind if the idea itself is good or adds any value before posting it. Actually I am not new to this forum, this is very nice forum and I often visit whenever I am stuck with something. Since I knew people like you always will be there to provide some kind of solutions or ideas for people who need answers.

Thank you once again. icon_smile.gif
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 5:43 pm    Post subject:
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you can get the source for browsers like Firefox
and look at the amount of code necessary
to support (keep track of where we are)
and implement Session(s) restore after a browser 'crash',

you could appreciate the work/code necessary to provide the feature.

I, as enrico, found your question very silly
in as much as it exposed your complete lack of understanding
of what goes on in the ops-system/tso/ispf just to support current activity.

as a mainframe is rather volatile (things change quickly)
as well as complicated
(all then necessary hooks into applications like endevor
which are third party products and IBM - which supplies ISPF
has no control over their 'construction' or proprietary internals)
creating something like a 'restore last session(s)'
would at best be a 'whistle in the wind'.

instead of 'demanding treatment other than what you deserve'
had you asked what you needed to understand and learn
in order to appreciate the possible fruitlessness of your original request,
knowing enrico,
he would have provided you with enough links to keep you busy for a while.
it is obvious that you have not even bothered to read about
the principles of operation,
much less descriptions of the services available from the OS.

it is obvious that you have only read and consumed the current clap-trap
about you and your rights not to be called what you are.

your simplistic question belied any credit you think you have.
i.e., you have not even bothered to learn enough to ask a good question.
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