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How to make changes witout changing changed date/time

 
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nileshyp

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 4:56 pm    Post subject: How to make changes witout changing changed date/time
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Hi,

Is there any way I can make the changes to a PDS member without changing changed date/time?
using G command we can only delete or reset the version and ID but can not control change date.

Please advise.

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Neil
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 5:00 pm    Post subject:
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Why are you trying to conceal the fact that you have edited the member?
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Robert Sample

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 5:01 pm    Post subject:
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Turn ISPF statistics off, then there won't be any date / time fields recorded. Of course, if this violates site policy then the consequence could be anything up to and including employee termination -- but that depends upon the site.
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nileshyp

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply to: How to make changes witout changing changed date/t
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Actually I want to make a little change to the program before moving it to production and user has alrady approved hence the program change date should not be later than approval date as per the change control procedure rule.

that's the reason I want to make that change without impacting the change date/time
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 5:48 pm    Post subject:
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So in fact conceal that you are making UNAUTHORISED changes
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nileshyp

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply to: How to make changes witout changing changed date/t
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Not exactly.. but to be honest, most importanatly to avoid hassles of taking user approval again
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 6:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Reply to: How to make changes witout changing changed da
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nileshyp wrote:
Not exactly.. but to be honest, most importanatly to avoid hassles of taking user approval again

You are an obnoxious cretin, nothing more, nothing less, and should be fired on the spot!
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 6:22 pm    Post subject:
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sounds as if this topic should be titled:
I did not get my work done on time, and don't want anyone to know.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 6:25 pm    Post subject:
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If your site policy is to get approval from the user again, then you need to follow site policy -- otherwise, you may wind up looking for another job since you've violating site policy.

Trying to hide mistakes rarely works, and management tends to look MUCH more severely upon somone hiding mistakes than someone admitting the mistake in the first place, since managers don't know what else you've hidden from them.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 6:26 pm    Post subject:
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IMO a site that depends on the integrity of ISPF stats is just asking for trouble. Sorry, but it wouldn't be ethical to advise you on how to circumvent your site's change control process.

It sounds like you need a source management system.
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Anuj Dhawan

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 7:19 pm    Post subject:
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Suggest you don't do that - why? Well, suggest again you don't do that. I can understand where you are coming from but trust us, please do not do this.

Let the program go in, write an e-mail pro-actively, get approvals and get done with it. Or if you can stop/delay the installation, do that but do with approvals.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 7:23 pm    Post subject:
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Hello,

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but to be honest, most importanatly to avoid hassles of taking user approval again
Yup, it can be a pain but best to follow the standards. . .
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply to: How to make changes witout changing changed date/t
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Thanks Anuj... It seems you seem to be most polite person in the forum. Anyways I am going to take the approvals again.

MR DBZ... welll I wil definitely ask you next time abt what to give title.

MR PRINO... Are you third grade mechanical engineer to tell me what is less and what is more...?
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:10 pm    Post subject:
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Time to lock this thread, methinks.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:19 pm    Post subject:
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Me thinks our Friday troll is back.
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dbzTHEdinosauer

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:29 pm    Post subject:
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just read an interesting political article about the 'fat-jap syndrome'
which is where the speaker,
caught in the trap of his own making,
attempts to change focus from the actual issue to non-issues.
Quote:
i maybe an inherently dishonest person,
but you are not polite!
oh, I have to have the last word, also.


by the way, look at ISPF Option 3.5.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:38 pm    Post subject:
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Or the LM***** ISPF service. There is nothing secure about ISPF stats. They should only be treated as a guideline.

I would advise the TS to draw this insecurity to the attention of his management. If they are not already aware of it, they ought to be grateful for the information and rush right out to their favourite vendor and buy a source management system. Or start using SCLM, which is free. icon_smile.gif
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Reply to: How to make changes witout changing changed da
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nileshyp wrote:
Thanks Anuj... It seems you seem to be most polite person in the forum. Anyways I am going to take the approvals again.

MR DBZ... welll I wil definitely ask you next time abt what to give title.

MR PRINO... Are you third grade mechanical engineer to tell me what is less and what is more...?

From his profile:

Occupation: Consultant
Mainframe Skills: Net surfing, discuss on any topic

Small wonder as to how things like the recent RBS/NatWest disaster occur, with "consultants" surfing the net. His PM, and I would not be surprised if dbz got something similar:

nileshyp wrote:
"mind ur own business if u dont have capacity and capablity to suggest."
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply to: How to make changes witout changing changed date/t
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Quote:
Mainframe Skills: Net surfing, discuss on any topic


without understanding anything about any of them icon_cool.gif
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