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PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 7:41 am    Post subject: HOW TO KEEP A DATASET ON SMS DASD FOR 60 DAYS
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Dear:

My customer's request is to keep a dataset in SMS DASD for 60 days.
I know some paramenter about MGMTCLAS as following, the most nearly parameter is LQUARTER, but it will keep dataset for 100 days, which will take a large volume of spaces. If you know any other ways to keep a daset on SMS DASD for 60 days, will you kindly please let me know?

Management Class Priduction
未参照日数 Production
満了日数 ADM
未参照日数 ADM
満了日数
EMPNO 10 45 10 45
LMONTH 40 45 40 45
LQUARTR 100 100 100 100
LWEEK 10 10 10 10
LYEAR 385 400 385 400
LYEAR3 1120 1200 1120 1200
LYEAR5 1850 2000 1850 2000
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 1:05 pm    Post subject:
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Ask your storage management people the best solution.

Without knowing anything about your site, that is as good as it gets.
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Ask your storage management people the best solution.

Without knowing anything about your site, that is as good as it gets.


Thank you so much for your suggestion, but if there is some one who I can ask , I will not ask question here.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2011 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply to: HOW TO KEEP A DATASET ON SMS DASD FOR 60 DAYS
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2011 2:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Reply to: HOW TO KEEP A DATASET ON SMS DASD FOR 60 DAYS
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we are not here to waste time for companies with a poor organization icon_evil.gif


yes, we are talking about how to solve the problems that we have meet.Thank you very much for your understanding.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2011 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply to: HOW TO KEEP A DATASET ON SMS DASD FOR 60 DAYS
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hank you so much for your suggestion, but if there is some one who I can ask , I will not ask question here.

if You have nobody to ask it means that Your <organization> does not have the competence to carry on any IT task

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yes, we are talking about how to solve the problems that we have meet

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2011 3:42 pm    Post subject:
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If you know any other ways to keep a daset on SMS DASD for 60 days, will you kindly please let me know?
Whether or not this is even possible is a question that can only be answered by someone working AT YOUR SITE. Storage management policies vary widely from site to site, and any advice given to you by someone working at a different site may be completely and totally unusable at your site -- for example, they may want you to use a storage class that is not even defined at your site. Storage group names, data class names, storage class names, and management class names are completely arbitrary and defined for each site by someone at that site. So, if you are unwilling or unable to ask someone at your site, the answer to your question is that no, nobody here knows any other ways to keep a data set on SMS DASD for 60 days (at your site).
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2011 4:14 pm    Post subject:
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And, if your storage management people have set things up correctly, you would not be permitted to carry out any suggestions, which is why I suggested talking to the people at your site.
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but if there is some one who I can ask , I will not ask question here.
Why not. . . icon_confused.gif

Maybe you should consider moving to a site where you could ask questions. . .
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If you know any other ways to keep a daset on SMS DASD for 60 days, will you kindly please let me know?
Whether or not this is even possible is a question that can only be answered by someone working AT YOUR SITE. Storage management policies vary widely from site to site, and any advice given to you by someone working at a different site may be completely and totally unusable at your site -- for example, they may want you to use a storage class that is not even defined at your site. Storage group names, data class names, storage class names, and management class names are completely arbitrary and defined for each site by someone at that site. So, if you are unwilling or unable to ask someone at your site, the answer to your question is that no, nobody here knows any other ways to keep a data set on SMS DASD for 60 days (at your site).


Thank you very much to explain so much specifically. And now I have understand why I should ask the person who is in my site.Really appreciate your answer.
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And, if your storage management people have set things up correctly, you would not be permitted to carry out any suggestions, which is why I suggested talking to the people at your site.


Yes, I got it. Thank you so much for your help. icon_razz.gif
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 6:46 am    Post subject: Re: Reply to: HOW TO KEEP A DATASET ON SMS DASD FOR 60 DAYS
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hank you so much for your suggestion, but if there is some one who I can ask , I will not ask question here.

if You have nobody to ask it means that Your <organization> does not have the competence to carry on any IT task

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yes, we are talking about how to solve the problems that we have meet

we reply ...
on our time
free of charge

it Your organization does not want to spend <money> providing a properly skilled infrastructure
why should we provide it with a free consultancy service ? icon_evil.gif


If you reluctant to answer my question or you do not know the answer or any other way you can not have constructive advice, would you please just ignore my question and let me go?
I just want to ask the my question and waiting for the people who knows the answer and he or she is kindly enough to answer me. Is there any fault of me by doing this?

why you criticise every question of me without giving even tiny clue? Would you kindly please just ignore me and let me go?
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but if there is some one who I can ask , I will not ask question here.
Why not. . . icon_confused.gif

Maybe you should consider moving to a site where you could ask questions. . .


icon_razz.gif Thank you for your humorous advice, I will consider it seriously.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 5:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Reply to: HOW TO KEEP A DATASET ON SMS DASD FOR 60 DAYS
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liying wrote:
If you reluctant to answer my question or you do not know the answer or any other way you can not have constructive advice, would you please just ignore my question and let me go?
I just want to ask the my question and waiting for the people who knows the answer and he or she is kindly enough to answer me. Is there any fault of me by doing this?

Yes. It is, frankly, difficult to place any good construction on your actions.

What you wish to know is both elementary and site-specific. That you need to ask does not make us confident in your proclaimed skillset. That you do not ask senpai or your shop's support people suggests either that you are afraid to ask -- and at this point I will not insult you by making explicit what that implies -- or that the alleged storage management workgroup in fact consists of untrained and inexperienced people hired by managers too greedy and incompetent to spend money on knowledgeable personnel (and before you bristle at that statement, I note that we have several querents who have said in so many words that they are in that position).

Consider a colleague who did not know how to spell "giraffe" and, instead of asking you or consulting a dictionary, posted questions on spelling fora, claiming that there is no one else to ask and no other way to find out. That is the light that you, and no other, have shown yourself in. Read through these fora, if you have the time, and notice the very large number of very elementary questions posed in badly-written English by querents who claim years of experience and skillsets that would put Cowlishaw or Elderon to shame, and who then demonstrate a complete lack of understanding of the answers. Do you wonder that we show impatience?
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 12, 2011 12:09 am    Post subject:
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Thank you for your humorous advice, I will consider it seriously.
Well, this was not completely meant to be humerous.

If is extremely unfortunate (and nonproductive) to work in an organization where people with a question/problem feel they cannot talk with those responsible for support. . .
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 9:36 pm    Post subject:
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Ask your storage management people the best solution

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That you do not ask senpai or your shop's support people

Initially I read this post with some amusement, however I have just got home after requiring 15 hours to do something that should require 4 hours. I was at a site where I could not get into ISPF as datasets were allocated over a start up clist and the clist allocated datasets I was not able to read (RACF). RACF group sit in the USA and don't start work for another 8 hours, so have to free allocations and allocate what I need by hand. I then need to allocate new datasets .... SMS say's no way. Last time I was at this site (3 years ago) they had a healthy SMS team in the meantime the company has outsourced and the complete SMS team was laid off. The Sysprog who now handles this work is on holiday and won't be back for 10 days. Surely we have to have some sympathy for the poor techies who work under these conditions on a daily basis, it is no wonder they turn to forums for help. After all it is not their fault that they are stuck working for a company who cares more for shareholder value than for technical excellence. Perhaps the techies of today are reaping the rewards of there antecedents who shamelessly ripped off the companies in th 80's and 90's
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply to: HOW TO KEEP A DATASET ON SMS DASD FOR 60 DAYS
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the techies of today are reaping the rewards of there antecedents who shamelessly ripped off the companies in th 80's and 90's


I think it is a funny quote. I am not sure what you are implying / but at the same time wishing I had known that was possible. :-)
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