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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 8:05 am    Post subject: ISPF Language Customization
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Hi All,

Currently i have been required for migrating ISPF panels which is in the Japanese langugae to English. The objective of this migration should be Business users/End users need to access the ISPF panels in Japanese but the administrators ( System programmers ) need to access the same panels in English and if required in japanese. ( The OS version is OS/390 V2R10 )

Yes, of course i had gone through the ISPF Planning and customization library guide. But before preceding i need your valuable inputs and suggestions on how to proceed with this activity.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 10:44 am    Post subject: Reply to: ISPF Language Customization
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...suggestions on how to proceed with this activity.


I guess that the only thing in japanese would be the texts hard coded in the panels
the variable names should be in plain english
the only reasonable suggestion is to ...
start the donkey work of translating the panel hard coded text.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 11:01 am    Post subject: Reply to: ISPF Language Customization
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I've previously seen reference to English/Korean panels being achieved with "ISPF DTL CONV Conversion utility". Don't know anything about it myself.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 11:13 am    Post subject: Reply to: ISPF Language Customization
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Thank you for the information.

When i was going through the ISPF Planning and customization guide, got a chance to look on the interesting part which talks about changing the ISPF default language ( ENGLISH ) to the target language ( Based on the CSECT and LANGUAGE supported by IBM, and the language pack ordered )

And it talks on replacing about ISPMAIN LMOD based on the language requirement. So i think this might help me.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply to: ISPF Language Customization
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i have been required for migrating ISPF panels which is in the Japanese langugae to English.


Are you referring to panels that are part of the ISPF product or are you referring to locally written panels?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply to: ISPF Language Customization
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I guess that the TS is referring to home grown panels!
it would seem silly to translate to english program product panels icon_eek.gif
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 1:31 am    Post subject: Reply to: ISPF Language Customization
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it would seem silly to translate to english program product panels

Agreed.

But the TS never actually mentioned 'translation', but only migration. And in their second post, mentions configuration / settings more than anything else, so I do not think it is a translation issue.

So, I asked for clarification.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 2:01 am    Post subject: Reply to: ISPF Language Customization
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Currently i have been required for migrating ISPF panels which is in the Japanese langugae to English


well... the sentence seems clear to me...
if a product is delivered with multi language libraries, then the installation manual will tell everything
so no need to ask us to do the reading and explaining

more reasonable to interpret migration as translation
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 7:42 pm    Post subject: Re: ISPF Language Customization
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sri_gans wrote:
...but the administrators ( System programmers ) need to access the same panels in English and if required in japanese...

So the panels have to exist both in Japanese and in English, and one must be able to switch between languages.

Maybe I would add (on the menu and/or on the top line of the panels) a small option
Code:
LANG: _
J for Japanese and E for English, the field set to J and protected for End Users.
The product would issue:
Code:
If LANG = 'J' Then
    DISPLAY PANEL(japanese)
Else
    DISPLAY PANEL(English)


But too many things are unknown about the TS restrictions
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 2:01 am    Post subject: Reply to: ISPF Language Customization
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There could be several such panels. Rather than change program logic, I think just swap out the panel library.
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If LANG = 'J' Then
    "LIBDEF ISPPLIB DATASET ID('proj.ISPPJPN')"
Else
    "LIBDEF ISPPLIB DATASET ID('proj.ISPPENU')"
"SELECT PANEL(abc) PASSLIB"
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:13 am    Post subject: Reply to: ISPF Language Customization
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Hi All,

Thanks for your comments. May be what i was planned on this requirement is to have separate LOGON PROCS which will be mapped accordingly to the ISPPLIB,SYSEXEC and other concatenations based on the two different ( English and Japanese) laguage requirements. ( By having two different ISPMAIN for two different laguage )

Please let me know your ideas.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 10:22 am    Post subject: Reply to: ISPF Language Customization
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And it talks on replacing about ISPMAIN LMOD based on the language requirement.


post the reference where it says so!

iI just looked at the ispf manuals for zOS 1.10 and 1.12 and nowhere there is such hint!

it simply tell tio use the proper language when starting ispf
as per ( 1.10 )
http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/ispzpc70/3.6.17?ACTION=MATCHES&REQUEST=default+language&TYPE=FUZZY&SHELF=ISPZPM70.bks&DT=20080710183407&CASE=&searchTopic=TOPIC&searchText=TEXT&searchIndex=INDEX&rank=RANK&ScrollTOP=FIRSTHIT#FIRSTHIT

or as per 1.12
( amended by the politically correct horse manure
Quote:
Note: The term "multicultural support" has replaced the previous term
| "National Language Support" (or "NLS"
laughable )
http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/ispzpc80/1.5.17?ACTION=MATCHES&REQUEST=default+language&TYPE=FUZZY&SHELF=ISPZPM80.bks&DT=20090610205143&CASE=&searchTopic=TOPIC&searchText=TEXT&searchIndex=INDEX&rank=RANK&ScrollTOP=FIRSTHIT#FIRSTHIT
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 10:50 am    Post subject: Reply to: ISPF Language Customization
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Hi,

In my First Post i have mentioned the OS version is OS/390 v2r10. Its not z/OS V1r10 or above. Anyway i way took the information from the below link.

http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/isppla04/3.18.1?ACTION=MATCHES&REQUEST=Swiss+German&TYPE=FUZZY&SHELF=ISPBKM10&DT=20000714140145&CASE=&searchTopic=TOPIC&searchText=TEXT&searchIndex=INDEX&rank=RANK&ScrollTOP=FIRSTHIT#FIRSTHIT
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 11:50 am    Post subject: Reply to: ISPF Language Customization
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Currently i have been required for migrating ISPF panels which is in the Japanese langugae to English. The objective of this migration should be Business users/End users need to access the ISPF panels in Japanese but the administrators ( System programmers ) need to access the same panels in English and if required in japanese. ( The OS version is OS/390 V2R10 )

Yes, of course i had gone through the ISPF Planning and customization library guide. But before preceding i need your valuable inputs and suggestions on how to proceed with this activity.


to put it shortly, what do You want from us ?icon_evil.gif
a pat on the shoulder, well... pat pat pat

You read the manual go ahead!
the next time use a better wording ... migrate means you have something , must transform in something else!

in this case ISPF comes with a full set of panels for each multicolture environment
just follow the manual instruction on how to use them

nuff said!

it would be strange if if You' d find somebody with a current experience on it os390 2.10 has been out of maintenance for quite a bit of time


anyway Youi failed to read properly the 2.10 manuals,
they provide the same solution as the latest ISPF
as described here
http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/isppla04/3.18?ACTION=MATCHES&REQUEST=default+language&TYPE=FUZZY&SHELF=ISPBKM10.bks&DT=20000714140145&CASE=&searchTopic=TOPIC&searchText=TEXT&searchIndex=INDEX&rank=RANK&ScrollTOP=FIRSTHIT#FIRSTHIT

looks we are just wasting time becaus You did not read thoroughly the manuals
the ISPMAIN stuff is just to save the hassle of specifying a language for ISPF or PDF invocation!

if You still want to change the default language , for any ISPF version
it would be wiser to allocate a load dataset to hold the modified modules

done that for the latest release, have a different load library for each different set of defaults and concatenate the proper library in the logon procedure

the saving is changing the default language for old ISF is minimal

anyway since the process is clearly described, You have no reason to ask, it would not take more than a few minutes to test
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