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manuwankenobi

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 8:54 pm    Post subject: Looking for archive software on z/OS
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Hello,

I'm looking for an archive software on z/os. The software would move files from z/os to tape (the entry should be deleted from mvs catalog) and the tape would be stored on another site. The software would also offer a catalog in order to find what was moved and where and would be able to restore a dataset (if the tape is in the library).

Did you heard about such a software ?

Thank you very much.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 9:08 pm    Post subject:
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I presume that you find ADRDSSU unsuitable? Could you explain why, as we will then be able to eliminate from consideration other tools sharing those (lack of) features.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 9:32 pm    Post subject:
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ADRDSSU
HSM
CA/ASM2
come to mind immediately. I wouldn't be surprised to find products from EMC, Compuware, BMC, and other vendors with a very little bit of research.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 30, 2011 10:05 am    Post subject:
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Thank you to read my post.
I knew that ADRDSSU could move files on tape, I knew also that HSM has migration function.
I didn't find these software suitable because :
- ADRDSSU : I can copy / delete the files but I have to create myself a "memory" of the files moved : the files are no more at the mvs catalog, but are in a DSS Dump and the restore action is not easy for a end-user.
- HSM ML2 : The files are always at the MVS catalog and there are risks to delete a file or use as input a file that has already been used. The restore is easy.

The files that I want to archive should be usable at a recovery site, not only at the data center.

I didn't hear about CA/ASM2, but reading the data sheet, I think it could be the right software. Some research with Google lead me to FDR/Arc which seems to be too a right software.

I always goggle or have a look at "mainframe upgrade" before posting, If i wrote this post, it was in order to know what software is most used and suitable.

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Marc.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 30, 2011 1:03 pm    Post subject:
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Why the need to delete the catalog entry when HSM can retain any given number of backup generations cataloged or otherwise.
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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2011 7:23 pm    Post subject:
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Expat,
In my mind, an HSM Backup is not an archive. An archive is something stored out of the data center, unavailable without asking to recall the media, so I think that it would not be cataloged.
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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2011 10:38 pm    Post subject:
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All our offsite datasets are catalogued - why should they not be?
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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2011 11:55 pm    Post subject:
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Our disaster recovery files, which are kept offsite, are all cataloged to make disaster recovery easier. We keep annual copies of certain files for archival purposes; these are kept offsite as well and they are cataloged, too.
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In my shop, most of the programmers have access to files for diagnosis purpose. If the file are cataloged but not present they will complain! This is why I think the files should not be cataloged. I would prefer them to ask me " please can you find the file xxxxxxx that was used on January 2008".
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You should have special names for files that go offsite e.g. BLAH.OFSITE.BLAHBLAH then you would not have a problem. Ordinary working files should not go offsite (although they do for a couple of days or so until replaced by later files). Also - make your progrmmers aware of which files go offsite, when and for how long. A simple report that they can look up should be enough .
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