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Anuj Dhawan

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 7:35 pm    Post subject: This is how we fool ourselves and the clients.. Too good
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Programmer to Team Leader:
"We can't do this proposed project. **CAN NOT**. It will involve a major design change and no one in our team knows the design of this legacy system And above that, nobody in our company knows the language in which this Application has been written. So even if somebody wants to work on it, they Can’t. If you ask my personal opinion, the company should never take these types of projects."

Team Leader to Project Manager :
"This project will involve a design change. Currently, we don't have any Staff that has experience in this type of work. Also, the language is Unfamiliar to us, so we will have to arrange for some training if we take this project. In my personal opinion, we are not ready to take on a project of this nature."

Project Manager to 1st Level Manager :
"This project involves a design change in the system and we don't have much Experience in that area. Also, not many people in our company are appropriately trained for it. In my personal opinion, we might be able to do The project but we would need more time than usual to complete it."

1st Level Manager to Senior Level Manager :
"This project involves design re-engineering. We have some people who have worked in this area and others who know the implementation language. So they can train other people. In my personal opinion we should take this project, but with caution."

Senior Level Manager to CEO :
"This project will demonstrate to the industry our capabilities in remodeling the design of a complete legacy system. We have all the necessary skills and people to execute this project successfully. Some people have already given in house training in this area to other staff members. In my personal opinion, we should not let this project slip by us under any circumstances."

CEO to Client :
"This is the type of project in which our company specializes. We have executed many projects of the same nature for many large clients. Trust me when I say that we are the most competent firm in the industry for doing this kind of work. It is my personal opinion that we can execute this project successfully and well within the given time frame.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply to: This is how we fool ourselves and the clients.. To
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and in case of need there will always be a <good soul> on ibmmainframes willing to give us some free consultancy services
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While posting that, I was thinking it looks like as if they don't remember the Y2K - I'm not sure and can't bet, I was pretty young that time but if I consider, what I read about IT-Staff before Y2K, is true - it's tough to believe that they(the bean counters) considered us just <something> to keep them going and not the part of the business itself which needs a serious thought before investing the money! Are the survivers of Y2K (and probably other failures of IT) are no longer in the business now, to show the path to others?
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Anuj Dhawan wrote:
Are the survivers of Y2K (and probably other failures of IT) are no longer in the business now, to show the path to others?
Pardon me but I find that comment a bit offensive.
Y2K was not a failure, but rather a non-event and successfully navigated past by (almost) everybody.
Why do you consider it a 'failure'?

BTW, as illustrated in your original post, it is (almost) impossible to "show the path" to (most) management....grin....
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Oh, I did not mean to offesne someone - sorry about that, if it made any harm..icon_redface.gif. "limitation" could have been better word, probably.
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As someone who had to learn Foxpro some time ago, I find this post very funny.

Thank God no major production issues came up while I was handling that system... I used to cross my fingers before opening the email during those months.
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Coincidently I also worked upon a FoxPro related project. In that, I was supposed to decommission the FoxPro related stuff and had to create an equivalent system on zOS - it was not a cake walk for sure.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 7:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Reply to: This is how we fool ourselves and the clients.
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enrico-sorichetti wrote:
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and in case of need there will always be a <good soul> on ibmmainframes willing to give us some free consultancy services


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 11:09 am    Post subject: Hey Anuj !! Thanks for chaning your Avatar !! :D
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Nice that you changed your Avatar ...
Always felt like there is some fly on my monitor... icon_lol.gif
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 6:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Hey Anuj !! Thanks for chaning your Avatar !! :D
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Binop B wrote:
Nice that you changed your Avatar ...
Always felt like there is some fly on my monitor... icon_lol.gif
Are you following my replies too much! icon_lol.gif
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And here was I thinking that Anuj had published the business plan for a "Consultancy Service" - And I really do use that term extremely loosely - that I have had to deal with.
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/The typical manager speaks
LOL- then I won't just say to RTCSM (RTConsultancy Services Manual) instead I'll make it a point to be discussed with my employees during their one-o-one.
/He stops speaking
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FOXPRO? Wasnt that a some program with a dot on the command line, or
statements entered starting with a dot?
Or did i download something else with my 1200 Baud modem in 1972 from the internets?
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 7:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Hey Anuj !! Thanks for chaning your Avatar !! :D
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Anuj Dhawan wrote:
Binop B wrote:
Nice that you changed your Avatar ...
Always felt like there is some fly on my monitor... icon_lol.gif
Are you following my replies too much! icon_lol.gif
Guess so .... icon_razz.gif icon_razz.gif

But got to say ... The emoticon is not doing any justice to the "nice" person we have seen ...
Reference : Marso and Anuj.. ... icon_wink.gif
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 7:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Hey Anuj !! Thanks for chaning your Avatar !! :D
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But got to say ... The emoticon is not doing any justice to the "nice" person we have seen ...
I knew it -- The Boy on right wearing Green-Tee and Blue-Jeans, in snap, will win over me when it comes to being "nice"! icon_lol.gif
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Peter - yup, I believe that's correct. There was a time when i wanted to learn FoxPro as it used to be powerful Database Management System. However, I was involved to decommission it - was rather interested in the data lying in those database acquired by this software rather than using it.
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Hello Anuj,

get back the fly please, my eye got used to it.
Beside that i liked the movie "the Fly".

But back on topic.

Wasnt it a Dbase 4 program, what later became Clipper?
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Anuj Dhawan wrote:
The Boy on right wearing Green-Tee and Blue-Jeans, in snap, will win over me when it comes to being "nice"! icon_lol.gif
icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif Am guessing Marso will be the most happiest person in this world when he reads your comment ... Expect some big present from Marso .. icon_razz.gif
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 2:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Hey Anuj !! Thanks for chaning your Avatar !! :D
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Binop B wrote:
Nice that you changed your Avatar ...
Actually, I owe this to Dick (dbzTHEdinosauer) - he used it lately, I liked it and thought to use it as Avatar.
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1st Level Manager - is the biggest culprit of them all icon_biggrin.gif
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