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GaganGarg

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PostPosted: Thu May 27, 2010 4:37 pm    Post subject: Tools to store job outputs in a automated way
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Hi,

In our project, we are looking at storing the Job outputs in a separate PDS.

The most common methods are directing them to JMR or taking XDCs one by one manually.
But JMRs are not permanent storages and may get erased eventually. And taking XDCs one by one would be very tedious as the number jobs being run is quite huge.

Precisely, we want to store the outputs of each of the jobs run under a particular OWNER ID. Also, we would like do this in an automated way rather than taking XDCs for each and every job in the spool.

It would be great for us, if anyone has an idea about this, in case there are any tool/Jobs for getting the task done.

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PostPosted: Thu May 27, 2010 4:52 pm    Post subject:
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Convince your site to spend the money to purchase a spool management package such as SAVRS. You can set up SAVRS (for example) so all job outputs in a given class are automatically copied from spool the SAVRS, then deleted from the spool, while the job output is kept online for a given number of days and then archived to tape where it can be retrieved for months (or years). A purchased package is a much more practical solution than attempting to write your own system to do this.
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PostPosted: Thu May 27, 2010 5:00 pm    Post subject:
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$AVRS doesn't store the spool outputs to a PDS and we wanted to store the spool o/p to the members of a PDS.

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PostPosted: Thu May 27, 2010 5:28 pm    Post subject:
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Why use a PDS? If this is a made-up requirement, get rid of it. If you already have SAVRS on site, use it rather than spending the time it would take to create you own software. Using a PDS has negative implications -- for example, if one of the jobs you are wanting to store in the PDS abends and generates a million-line dump you are most likely going to have space issues and that could cause other outputs that you want stored in the PDS to not be stored. And then there is compression of the PDS, running out of directory blocks, overlaying members (accidentally or on purpose), ...

Using the existing tools, if it provides 80 to 90% of what you want, is far, far, far better than crafting your own solution to a problem that was solved by the vendor a long time ago.
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PostPosted: Thu May 27, 2010 5:35 pm    Post subject:
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And what happens with multiple jobs having the same name ?
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In $AVRS, can we sort out the details of the jobs depending upon the owner of the job? If yes, can you please tell me the name of the field in $AVRS which will allow me to sort the job details based upon the owner ID.
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PostPosted: Thu May 27, 2010 5:49 pm    Post subject:
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GaganGarg wrote:
In $AVRS, can we sort out the details of the jobs depending upon the owner of the job? If yes, can you please tell me the name of the field in $AVRS which will allow me to sort the job details based upon the owner ID.

Please transmit the manuals and we will read them for you icon_evil.gif
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PostPosted: Thu May 27, 2010 5:56 pm    Post subject:
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Sometimes, the person may not be having the manuals you are talking about and sometimes we may need the hint within a short span of time.
Ok expat sir, i will try to find the manuals and will find how to get the spool details based upon the owner id. icon_neutral.gif

Thanks
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PostPosted: Thu May 27, 2010 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply to: Tools to store job outputs in a automated way
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we may need the hint within a short span of time.

if time is an issue get a paid consultant specialized in manual reading
or learn to plan better Your skill update sessions

and above all learn that on any forum
answering is on voluntary basis and time availability,
and above all based on the benevolence factor of the person asking for help
claiming urgency or manual reading services will lower considerably anybody' s benevolence factor

and also remember a forum is not a substitute for poor organization and practices
You/Your organization is getting paid for Your/Your organization work/services, not us

General point... the You is not personal but is used as a generic person specification
and again too many times people asking for help are not direct users
but so_called_consultants or in any case people selling their services...
and obviously in this case You are selling something that You did not produce icon_evil.gif
what about sharing your revenues with us icon_question.gif
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PostPosted: Thu May 27, 2010 6:12 pm    Post subject:
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OR, you could search this forum for SAVRS ... we had a thread back in March of this year that was quite similar. The SAVRS installation library has a job name $AVRPULL (which you may need your site support group help you find). This job can extract data from the SAVRS data base by many, many different ways -- including JO (job owner) which is the user id associated with either USER= or NOTIFY= so SAVRS already provides what you asked for.

And basically what you're telling us is that rather than take the hour (or two or ...) that it would take to find the manual and read it, you would rather spend dozens or hundreds of hours writing something that you already could get? Either your company is much richer than mine, or you're not telling your management what you're doing because my company would never let any programmer even START a project like this.
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PostPosted: Thu May 27, 2010 6:13 pm    Post subject:
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I agree what you are saying but i didn't mean that what u got. In my any of the previous posts, i had never asked the complete solutions just hints had suffice the purpose. I am very sorry as i think you got this in other way. really sorry
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