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Does Job on HOLD occupy an initiator?

 
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PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2010 1:01 pm    Post subject: Does Job on HOLD occupy an initiator?
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Hi,

Could you please let me know if a job in HOLD status occupy an initiator & keep the initiator for itself until the job is released.
I Submitted a job with TYPRUN=HOLD and checked the "init" command on SDSF, It appears that it is not taking up an initiator.
But im not totally sure.

Also, is there any harm in putting a job in HOLD for a long time say 1 or 2 days?

Thanks in advance,
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PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2010 1:28 pm    Post subject:
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Hi,

the answers are NO and NO.


Gerry
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PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2010 1:29 pm    Post subject: Reply to: Does Job on HOLD occupy an initiator?
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not an issue as far as JES z/OS capabilities
operations might get upset icon_biggrin.gif
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PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2010 2:18 pm    Post subject:
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Hi Gerry, Thanks for replying.

Enrico, Cud u please say Why would the operations get upset.? What parameter would bother them?

My story is,
We don't have access to schedule user jobs on CA7. It requires many formalities and approvals and many others... Fortunately we had NDM Connect:Direct. So was using the process to schedule a job. But now NDM is decommisioned at our shop. So was planning to submit a job thru internal reader with TYPRUN=HOLD. Then schedule a JES command to release the job from HOLD and make it run at a required time, thus making a crude scheduler for user jobs.

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PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2010 2:25 pm    Post subject:
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I would like to add one last question as well,

If a job is put on HOLD and if the LPAR is brought down for some reason, maybe maintenance, Will the job still be there in Spool when the LPAR is brought back?

I have no knowledge of how a LPAR is IPL'ed. So please share your views.

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PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2010 2:28 pm    Post subject:
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It depends on wether it is a COLD or WARM JES restart.

If COLD, then the JES datasets are empty, if WARM, then the JES information is retained from pre IPL.
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PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2010 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply to: Does Job on HOLD occupy an initiator?
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Why would the operations get upset.

in many cases it would be against the standards !
holding and releasing jobs might be allowed only to operations

/rant on
too many times on these forum people are concerned only about the technicalities
and forget/disregard/donotgiveasith about standards and rules
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PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2010 6:08 pm    Post subject:
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Expat, Thanks for your inputs. It helps icon_smile.gif
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PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2010 8:25 pm    Post subject:
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Hello,

I'm confused why
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So was planning to submit a job thru internal reader with TYPRUN=SCAN.
is mentioned. . .

If a job is submitted with both HOLD and SCAN, the job will wait until it is released and then will not execute - it will only be SCANned. . .

If there is a true business need to schedule these jobs, a provision needs to be made in setting up the schedule. If there is a perfectly workable way to schedule jobs in place it should be used - despite a bit of inconvenience. Why should something that is to be scheduled production not follow the rules for "turnover" icon_confused.gif
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PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2010 11:29 pm    Post subject:
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D,
I was intending to say TYPRUN=HOLD. It was a mistake.

I can understand that scheduling thru scheduler is the best way.

I have tried getting approvals for things long enough & not inclined to try anymore for scheduling user prefix jobs. Its a bit complex to explain.

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PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2010 12:58 am    Post subject:
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Hi Vasanth,

The earlier typo has been corrected icon_smile.gif

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I have tried getting approvals for things long enough & not inclined to try anymore for scheduling user prefix jobs. Its a bit complex to explain.
Don't know if this might help in your situation, but something that often works better is having the User Management request the jobs from scheduling/operations rather than going thru some other part of IT. I don't know if this fits your "opportunity". . . icon_smile.gif

As you say - it is frustrating. . . icon_wink.gif
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PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2010 10:39 am    Post subject:
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D,
Thanks for correcting it. There are 2 many TYPRUN parameters on JCL to remember, so I got confused icon_biggrin.gif

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but something that often works better is having the User Management request the jobs from scheduling/operations rather than going thru some other part of IT.


Let me give it a shot.
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