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vijay k vemuri
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Joined: 22 Dec 2009 Posts: 2 Location: Bangalore
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Hi to everybody,
I am new to Assembler programming.
I wrote an Assembler program which calculates the division of 2 numbers.
Can anyone tell how to execute this program? If any JCL required please share it. |
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enrico-sorichetti
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Joined: 14 Mar 2007 Posts: 10873 Location: italy
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we are not a subsidiary of the IBM training department
what You are asking is part of IBM basic... very basic training...
tell them <add a derogatory adjective>to train You better |
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Robert Sample
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Joined: 06 Jun 2008 Posts: 8696 Location: Dubuque, Iowa, USA
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Execution of the program, assuming you have managed to compile it into a load module, depends upon your site standards -- job names, accounting information, job classes, message classes all vary from site to site. I recommend you contact your peers, team leader, or site support group for assistance. |
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vijay k vemuri
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Joined: 22 Dec 2009 Posts: 2 Location: Bangalore
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Hi,
I am learning assembler of my own.
I am not taking any training from IBM.
Any how thanks for your suggestions. I will try to find the JCL. |
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enrico-sorichetti
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Joined: 14 Mar 2007 Posts: 10873 Location: italy
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I am not taking any training from IBM. |
You qualify yourself as an IBM employee.. ( unless You try to get credit for something You are not entitled to)
( did You ever read the business conduct guidelines )
so again no reason for anybody on the forums to give free consultancy to IBM and its employees
search the forums for my posts on IBM ethics
to save some of Your and Your employer precious time here is a link
ibmmainframes.com/viewtopic.php?t=43192&highlight=ibm+ethics
to meditate about it |
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MBabu
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Joined: 03 Aug 2008 Posts: 400 Location: Mumbai
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I have to take exception to the idea that no one from IBM should ask questions or basic questions simply because IBM is a manufacture of mainframe equipment and software.
IBM is a huge company. Not everyone is a programmer (in fact, most are not) and expanding one's professional skills is to be commended. The idea that the pursuit of basic information in a general forum is unethical is patently absurd.
Asking to share information (JCL) is the same as asking to a pointer to the needed JCL. Vijay is not saying that you should do his work for him. He is simply asking for a way to get started. Maybe he works in a place where most people do data entry or where they do hardware or software support or simply don't do assembler. To assume that he has the benefits and full resources of a mature IT department and access to an educational network is unreasonable. Yes, IBM has online courses that employees can take, and in rare instances there are even classroom courses, but this is an "I'm learning on my own" situation. Vijay is doing exactly what we profess that people should do. He is taking the initiative to learn something and asking for direction. Encourage, don't chastise.
Vijay - for simple programs, see the ISPF Foreground and Background options, usually 4 and 5 onthe ISPF menu, to assemble and link your program. You can generate JCL from there, assuming your site has set that up to be used. |
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enrico-sorichetti
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The idea that the pursuit of basic information in a general forum is unethical is patently absurd.
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keep the absurd comment for Yourself please
the point is that they sell knowledge, and selling what You did not pay looks more like stealing than fair trade |
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MBabu
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Why? It is absurd. You are telling someone there actions are unethical when that is an arbitrary conclusion based on a prejudice towards inexperience (not ethnic or regional). |
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enrico-sorichetti
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no it is not
and You do not have to teach me anything about IBM, I do know quite a bit abiot it
I have worked there for 30 years up to the rank of senior consultant...
so when I talk about IBM ethics and business conduct guidelines I know what I am talking about
it' s not a prejudice against anybody |
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MBabu
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I've been with them for 30 years too. I know that there are myriad avenues for finding complex information within IBM but it is also so large and cumbersome that sometimes the simplest things are not easy to locate. All I know is that I'd rather work with someone who asks questions -- any questions -- than someone who sits all day and wanders aimlessly around the intranet (or Internet) trying to find disparate pieces of information so that they can piece together an answer that might or might not be right. As far as what you'd allow him to ask about, why care what IBM sells? If he was asking us to do work for which IBM would receive remuneration, then I'd agree that it is unethical and against the BCGs but asking how to run a program that tests a couple of assembler instructions so that he can learn the basics is not an issue. Would you scold an Apple employee for asking how to use his iPod? |
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