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PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2009 5:01 pm    Post subject: Can we modify an existing CICS screen using MANTIS ?
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We have a new project which is using MANTIS, can anyone tell what is MANTIS and I have goggled and could not get any info on it. Please reply can we change an existing cics screen using mantis, if yes do we have to code the cobol program as well or the MANTIS will change the existing business logic.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2009 5:28 pm    Post subject:
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I Googled "z/os mantis" and got 22,000 hits of which the first one is for a product used with CICS. Perhaps you should try Google again?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2009 5:41 pm    Post subject:
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Robert, perhaps this explains the reason for not finding the info icon_lol.gif
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LOL expat -- didn't notice that earlier! Could explain much indeed.
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Mr.Expat, The reason for that spelling is I used the Mainframe SpellCheck option which was given and or developed by the IBMMainframeForum for the spelling check of our queries before posting, I couldn't see googled for your kind information in the spell check and left it like that after it corrected itself.

Mr.Robert, I have searched in the google ...and just by the number of hits you get in google you cannot confirm that you got the right information. You search in google with any word or phrase and you will get the results in thousands of hits and all the hits after 4 or 5 pages are not worth. Well in the first case I have downloaded the documents and PDF's right from the CINCOM website in regards to MANTIS & COBOL etc. But no where I had this information which talked about existing CICS to MANTIS. And for your information I have 6.34 MB of doc's which did not talk anything about my question. I bet if you can find this information from your specified 22,000 hits from google. So please do not offend others if you do not know the information. My main intention was if anyone would have worked on CICS to MANTIS could have answered it in a single word either YES r NO. You know what I have mailed to the CINCOM guy's asking for that info and ....I will post on the forum when they reply me ....so that It may give an idea to someone else.

SO guys thanks a lot for your valuable comments.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2009 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply to: Can we modify an existing CICS screen using MANTIS
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all depends on what kind of goggles the gentleman used icon_biggrin.gif
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2009 6:27 pm    Post subject:
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what is MANTIS and I have goggled and could not get any info on it.
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Well in the first case I have downloaded the documents and PDF's right from the CINCOM website in regards to MANTIS & COBOL etc.
YOU do have to do some of the work. You stated originally you could not get ANY information on MANTIS, and I suggested a way to get some. Now you say you've got it and your question is not what you originally posted but something different. Psychic day was Tuesday so we can't read your mind and figure out your question -- we can only go by what you tell us in your post.

Furthermore, if you have a specific question about existing CICS screens and MANTIS, the right source would be the vendor -- and the first hit on the Google search I did was for the vendor. At that point it becomes YOUR responsibility to contact the vendor, who will want to verify you have access to their support, to get an answer to your question.

So you asked and were given a valid answer pointing you to a source of the information you needed. Whether or not you care to actually do something with that data is up to you. But don't blame us for not feeding you the precise answer you require like giving pablum to a baby.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2009 7:13 pm    Post subject:
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Now you say you've got it and your question is not what you originally posted but something different.



When I said I have googled it and could not get any info out of it....that does not mean that I didnt do my work. It also means that even after downloading the info from the vendor site ..still could not get the info what I wanted from google. I have added that I have sent a mail to the vendor but i did not mention that in the first post. The main reason to post my query in the forum is before I get the answer from the vendor...If any one has worked on CICS to MANTIS, could have easily answered that question instead of waiting for the answer from the Vendor. They may have lot of questions to answer ....and by the time It will be easy if I get the answer to my question in the forum, I did not want any spoon feeding from anyone. Its just a question to any of the experienced guys who have worked on MANTIS. By the way I did not blame anyone for not giving the answer to my question, DID you feel that from my post in any angle. ...If yes I cant help it.
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in this website, people are really touchy - as well as never being wrong.
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in this website, people are really touchy - as well as never being wrong.


Ya that is true, but the real fact is people conclude something else and interpret something else in their mind while posting the answers ...thinking as subject matter experts...in their own way ...that he has not done that he has not done this...instead of being in other's shoes. The simple answer to this is... to post an answer if they knew and if they have time and interest to answer the question ...or atleast post some related links to the respective question.....instead of complaining and finding the silly spellcheck words/letters....making fun of the silly wrong words which is not even corrected by the Mainframe spellcheck......And as if I am forcing others to baby feed me with answers. Isn't that right Mr.dbz.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2009 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply to: Can we modify an existing CICS screen using MANTIS
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OK let' s stop it now
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 1:16 am    Post subject:
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Hello,

MANTIS is a programming language from CINCOM Systems (the company that invented TOTAL, ULTRA, SUPRA, and many others.

Their site is www.cincom.com

MANTIS is still on their product list.
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ctuserman

How do you think that the 'seniors' of the forum have managed to gain so much knowledge over the years, the years before the internet made it far easier for others to resolve their problems. The answer is sheer hard graft.

The responses by people like Dbz, myself and various others may seem abrasive to you, but we are merely pointing out the way that things should be done.

By saying that an OP should have done this, or should have done that is just a way of pointing out the correct path that they should have followed in attempting to resolve their problem.

Do you really believe that people should come onto the forum and post a question, often badly done, without having lifted a finger in self help and demand an answer. Do you.

Please CLICK HERE to find out more about asking your questions in the correct way.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 4:20 pm    Post subject:
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Mr.Dick,

Thanks a lot for your answer. I got this info long back but trying for...whether existing CICS screens can be modified using MANTIS or not. Well thanks for your response anyway.

Mr.Expat,

I totally agree with your point, and that is what I am telling right from the very second post of mine. Please read the below points which I am gonna explain in detail, [b]what I have done before posting this query online[/b]...I have googled my query,got the vendor of MANTIS (CINCOM) , downloaded the doc's from the CINCOM , gone through all the docs, If you want I can send the docs to your email through an attachment....I went to the http://demo.cincom.com, which is a MANTIS demo site by which we will get the look and feel of the MANTIS tool, gone through MANTIS Manuals
MANTIS® Application Development
Tutorial
z/OS®, VSE/ESA™
P39-5126-01,

MANTIS® Language
z/OS®, VSE/ESA™
P39-5102-01

MANTIS® Quick Reference z/OS®,
VSE/ESA™
P39-5103-01

to name a few (still have few more but need to copy the names by opening the PDF's ...so dint do it) which were available from the VENDOR. I have also gone through MANTIS Studio data sheet and Mantis for Mainframe data sheet. Searched for any available MANTIS forums where I can go through the FAQ section or browse the existing queries, but unfortunately couldn't get one, don't have any friends/colleagues who knew MANTIS, hardly can get any other sites other than the CINCOM site to know more info about MANTIS, ( dont mention the no. of hits when you search in google) contacted Rick from CINCOM waiting for the response from him. Doing my research from the past couple of days, and landed in this online forum to find out any experienced MANTIS developers to post an answer. You know what I have even called up the CINCOM development center to find out any answers from their technical dept, they referred me back to some other dept..which dint work out. So you can't say that I have not done my homework before posting the query online, I agree you guys are seniors and are teaching me to find the info by myself instead of directly posting it online. I do not say no, but do not conclude and confirm things from your end and start giving advise as if I have not done anything from my side and coming directly to the forums, How can you conclude that I have not done any hard work to find out the answer. You cannot generalize things just by my question that I didnt do anything before askin it in the forum, I have said the same thing in my earlier post as well ...am telling you once again that I have done all these not after your suggestion to my post, this was done much earlier before posting it here. You said I have come directly to the forum and demanding an answer, did I ...Can you still say that.. after seeing my explanation .... I am here not to argue with you and others ..'m Just supporting myself...I have already explained everything in detail in my previous post and still you guys stand on the same point. My intention was to catch hold of any experienced user who would have answered that question easily. Well senior members won't catch a silly word with one letter wrong in it and make a post on it instead of replying rite to point if they knew the answer, else ignore it..this is what I think. Why cant you guys understand that and keep on replying that I have not done my homework....instead of posting the answer if you knew else ignore.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 4:53 pm    Post subject: enrico
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Mr.Enrico, I have posted the query to get a response from any of the experienced MANTIS developers after trying all the options... Well you have time to START the comment/joke on other's serious queries and you want to STOP it when I still dint get my answer and seriously waiting for any of the experienced user to respond. You have started it to pass comments on others that too for a silly mistake which was done by your Mainframe SpellCheck. Can you please add googled to your SpellCheck dictonary ( so that no one else get to read some comments again) if you have access, since you are the Global moderator ( which I think you should).
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I have even called up the CINCOM development center to find out any answers from their technical dept, they referred me back to some other dept..which dint work out.
Suggest you re-connect with CINCOM.

Explain what happened the first time and go forward from there.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 7:14 pm    Post subject: Mantis Material -Urgent
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Hello Friends, Please send me any documents regarding Mantis. As,I couldn't found any material from internet. It will be really great help.
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Hello,

You need to contact CINCOM. . .
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 10:26 am    Post subject: Re: Mantis Material -Urgent
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kdilip wrote:
Hello Friends, Please send me any documents regarding Mantis. As,I couldn't found any material from internet. It will be really great help.

Please refrain from posting the same question in more than 1 forum.
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