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THINKSRINIII
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 4:28 pm    Post subject: Is there a way to hide a dataset
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Hi Guys,

Could you please let me know if there a way to hide a dataset? Tried searching the Forum and Googling.. But did not find a specific answer.

Many thanks..

Srini.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 4:35 pm    Post subject:
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Define "hide".
Just what are you trying to do and on what platform and under what operating system?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply to: Hide a Dataset
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Hi Will..

I am trying to hide a dataset in Z/OS IBM.

Thanks..
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 4:50 pm    Post subject:
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Again define "hide". `
And why? z/OS security is enough to prevent access to a dataset, why try to hide it?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 4:56 pm    Post subject: Reply to: Hide a Dataset
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Will,

Not able to get you properly. I have written some adhocs which i do not want others to use. So i am trying to hide the PDS which has the members. Is that a command "Hide".. Could you please explain More.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply to: Hide a Dataset
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If You describe the business need, Your security team will be glad to provide a company approved/certified solution
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply to: Hide a Dataset
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Hi E.S,

Unfortunately my admin do not provide any way of Hiding a dataset. As i need to Hide the members from others in my Team(As i have put whole lot of efforts in creating). I know the password protect way using RACF .. But a userID with more access will still be able to access the dataset. So, i thought hiding the Dataset, it will be more difficult to locate it itself.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 5:05 pm    Post subject:
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Hide? What if you yourself forget the location where did you hide it. . . then? icon_razz.gif
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply to: Is there a way to hide a dataset
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Come on Mate.. I dint think of that possibility icon_lol.gif
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply to: Is there a way to hide a dataset
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But a userID with more access will still be able to access the dataset.

if he has access he certainly has the business need to use that data according to his security profile

the data does not belong to You, but to your company,

any mishandling (*) on your side might constitute reason for lawful termination
and law suit for damages ( also from a stockholder toward management )

if You are worried only about data loss inquire with Your storage support
about the best practiced to use to protect such highly mission critical company data

(*) denying access, not making data available when needed, in the proper format
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 5:19 pm    Post subject:
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Hi,

Please go through the all the answers so far (except mine icon_smile.gif ) - you'll find "hiding" a data set is not a usual thing. And even if it could be done by some means it should not be done by your own unless you are from security-teamat your shop. As a RACF user, you should ask your security team about this as suggested earlier.

Other alternative can be - take the back-up of PDS with your RACF ID & delete the one with "common HLQ".
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply to: Is there a way to hide a dataset
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Thanks Anuj.. I do understand.. But, as i said earlier.. Just out of Curiosity.. If there's a way...
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If your data sets are SMS-managed, you cannot "hide" one in any sense as they must be cataloged, and therefore will always be available and visible to anyone looking at the catalog.

If they are not SMS-managed, you can create a file on disk without it being cataloged, in which case only by going to the disk can the file be seen. But the file will not be hidden from anyone looking at the volume serial.

However, the purpose of RACF, TOP SECRET, ACF2, ... security packages is to provide protection for data sets. You would be better off using the site security package to protect your data set instead of attempting to "hide" it.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply to: Is there a way to hide a dataset
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Thanks Rob..
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 6:58 pm    Post subject:
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Use Notepad (or Word or Excel or whatever) and keep your file on your local disk on your PC !
That will hide it all right.
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Hello,

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As i need to Hide the members from others in my Team
What utter nonsense. . . How can this possibly be considered a team?

Suggest you consider moving off the mainframe and working on a stand-alone pc - you will have all of the secrecy you want.

One of the most compelling reasons for developing good tools is so that others can and will use them.

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Unfortunately my admin do not provide any way of Hiding a dataset
And they should not. . .

Suggest you keep in mind that code developed "on the clock" (i.e. you were being paid) belongs to the organization, not you personally.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 9:10 pm    Post subject:
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Why do you need to hide things from your fellow team members.

Come on, surprise us, what have you developed that is so spectactularly wonderful that it can not possibly be divulged. I dare you.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply to: Is there a way to hide a dataset
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I forgot to add in my previous posts ...
work done on employer equipment on employer time belongs to the employer
and the copyright too...

so it would be questionable the ethics of hiding it
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply to: Is there a way to hide a dataset
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I also question the ethics of hiding a file and also of your teaming efforts.

You might try compiling the rexx program so that source is not available and also include something like 'If user /= 'pedro' then return'
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 10:09 pm    Post subject:
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Guys,

I do appreciate your Comments.. But my point was as this is a comman platform for many companies together working.. Person for any other company can View the members i have created. Hope this is not a non-sense when someone steals your work to say that they did it.

Mr Dick,

Whats ur opinoin?

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