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Transmit the TSO Help files to PC Notepad

 
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bhaktavatsala.v
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 11:49 am    Post subject: Transmit the TSO Help files to PC Notepad
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hi all, i want to trasmit all the help topics in tso into one notepad in my pc is that possible....?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 12:56 pm    Post subject:
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help topics in tso


Are you referring QW content?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 1:10 pm    Post subject: mainframe(tso)
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Sorry i am new to mainframes , i didn'nt get [b]QW[b].
I am reffering to those descriptions when you type help on the command
line, with respect to your subject, like
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HELP utilities
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 1:37 pm    Post subject:
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I guess you talk about ISPF and not TSO ( even if it is a good idea to learn also TSO ).

Why not read the manuals instead of downloading unformatted help screens with attributes and symbolic variables stored in libraries like (SYS1).ISP.SISPPENU, etc....
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 2:00 pm    Post subject:
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yeah, good idea thanks.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 5:29 pm    Post subject:
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Re the comment: "even if it is a good idea to learn also TSO."

Why?

I've been using ISPF for over 20 years and maybe once I used an actual TSO command. Probably that was because I was less familiar with ISPF at the time.

Please offer some concrete examples why a beginner, faced with assimilating ISPF, should also learn any straight TSO commands.

Thanks.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 10:45 pm    Post subject:
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strange attack !

In any case, working in TSO, it is good to know what TSO is, at least in short.

Also never used EXECIO ? LISTDS ? ALLOCATE ?
Never done a LOGON and of course a LOGOFF ?
Never done a TRANSMIT ?
No DELETE, no FREE, no EXEC? Never a SUBMIT?

Don't suggest TSO, don't suggest anything but don't reproach beginners to stay at bottom level.

bhaktavatsala.v wants to learn. I just gave him the area of his work.

Good attitude from him. So no bad return of the frisbee for him. He will have the technique to catch it back.

Cheers
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 11:16 pm    Post subject:
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My comment was not meant as an "attack," but as a request for some good examples.

You have provided them - thanks - but when would you use each, and why these rather than their analogues in ISPF, for those with analogues, e.g., dataset allocation.

Can I direct TSO command output to printout or files (e.g., LISTDS) as easily as ISPF?

Again, asking, not attacking.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 12:51 am    Post subject:
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Question of personal history, maybe.
But in my IT life, I cannot say differently than I used TSO commands a lot, and not only to "SEND 'hello' USER(mycoworkeruserid).
In REXX, I cannot avoid EXECIO, .... and many others.

It is also wish to learn. joy to learn., to discover.

... and don't be afraid... I never really considered your surprising comment as an attack. Just a way to throw a frisbee... me too.

Regards
Pierre
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