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dick scherrer

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 11:28 pm    Post subject: "The topic or post you requested does not exist"
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Hello,

There have been a few times recently when a thread that was sent to me via e-mail was "gone" when i tried to follow up - please see subject.

This morning it happened again. Part of the e-mail message is:
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This topic has received a reply since your last visit. You can use the following
link to view the replies made, no more notifications will be sent until you
visit the topic.

http://ibmmainframes.com/viewtopic.php?p=62986#62986



but when i click on the link, the site says it does not exist.

If topics are being deleted while there is still conversation, might the thread have some note posted saying it was deleted for whatever reason, rather than just "does not exist"? Or possibly, send an e-mail saying it has been deleted?

Just out of curiosity, why does a thread "go away" while active? I'd think that any unacceptable content would be edited out rather than the thread being discarded.

Thank you,

d.sch.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 11:36 pm    Post subject:
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Do you have any idea about the subject of the deleted topic?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 12:17 am    Post subject:
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It could have been the long multiple chose beginner question post from a couple days ago.....
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 12:57 am    Post subject:
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Hello,

I should have included more of the e-mail. . . ooops. . .

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You are receiving this email because you are watching the topic, "How to Expand
JCL having Procs and symbolic parameters" at Ibmmainframes.com

This topic has received a reply since your last visit. You can use the following
link to view the replies made, no more notifications will be sent until you
visit the topic.

http://ibmmainframes.com/viewtopic.php?p=62986#62986
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 7:34 am    Post subject:
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It could have been the long multiple chose beginner question


It may be deleted by one of our moderators.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 8:51 am    Post subject:
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Hello again,

The thread i asked about was "How to Expand
JCL having Procs and symbolic parameters" , not the one mentioned above.

I suppose what i'm asking is that when an active thread is deleted that the system send an e-mail to those watching the thread that it has been deleted and why it was deleted.

The person who started the thread possibly wondered what happened as well. . .

Thank you,

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 6:15 pm    Post subject:
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Currently we can't find who deleted the post.

We are in the process of implementing the code to trace the activities of moderators.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 9:00 pm    Post subject:
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Thank you.

My guess is that the moderators are almost always the good guys, but accidents can happen.

As i mentioned earlier, if (when a topic is deleted) an e-mail could be sent to those following the thread, it would be helpful.

Thanks again,

d.sch.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 9:39 pm    Post subject:
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My guess is that the moderators are almost always the good guys, but accidents can happen


Agree with you.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 8:05 pm    Post subject:
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Hello again,

This is happening again - had one a couple of days ago that i didn't pass along, but again this morning there is

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The topic or post you requested does not exist

from this link
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http://ibmmainframes.com/viewtopic.php?p=64317#64317


If you'd prefer, i'll not send any more of these icon_smile.gif

Thank you.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 10:41 pm    Post subject:
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It will happen even if the moderator deleted a single unwanted post. (Not the complete topic).

Is it for this Topic: http://ibmmainframes.com/viewtopic.php?p=64319

Else can you please provide the topic subject?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 2:20 am    Post subject:
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It will happen even if the moderator deleted a single unwanted post. (Not the complete topic).


Really? That's not what's supposed to happen - is it? It's not unusual for a Moderator to delete a "duplicate" post. Can this be fixed?

As another example, I got a notification this morning of a reply in the Topic ""Truncating first few columns in the record" at:

http://ibmmainframes.com/viewtopic.php?p=64322#64322

but that one no longer exists apparently.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 4:24 am    Post subject:
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Hello,

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Is it for this Topic: http://ibmmainframes.com/viewtopic.php?p=64319


No, it was for 64317. Sorry, but i've already deleted the e-mail that had the link.

I'll send both the link and the subject next time. Sorry 'bout that.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 5:06 pm    Post subject:
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Really? That's not what's supposed to happen - is it? It's not unusual for a Moderator to delete a "duplicate" post.


Yes, it's true. Please check this post:
http://www.ibmmainframes.com/viewtopic.php?t=13060

So the post http://ibmmainframes.com/viewtopic.php?p=64322 is deleted which was posted on the above topic.

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Can this be fixed?


Yes, We can fix this. Instead of Post notification we have to implement Topic notification.

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I'll send both the link and the subject next time. Sorry 'bout that.


Yes please, just paste the complete mail here.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 5:49 pm    Post subject: Re: "The topic or post you requested does not exist&quo
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I'd be willing to leave the post and just delete the content, with a message like "** Topic Content Deleted **".
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 7:27 pm    Post subject:
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I'd be willing to leave the post and just delete the content, with a message like "** Topic Content Deleted **".


Nice Idea kevin. I prefer like:

Topic Content Deleted. Reason: ***

If you all agree, I will announce it in our Moderator' Guidelines:

http://www.ibmmainframes.com/viewtopic.php?t=14
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 10:21 pm    Post subject:
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I don't understand. Are we talking about NOT deleting entire Topics or not deleting individual posts in a Topic? We should be able to delete an individual post in a Topic without deleting the Topic. If we can't do that, I'd consider it a bug.

If we're talking about deleting entire Topics, then I'd propose that instead we just lock the Topic and put a final post saying we did so. I don't see how we could mark an entire Topic as "deleted" without removing all but the first post. We could replace the first post with "deleted", but then we'd want to delete the rest of the posts and we can't since it will delete the topic.

Either way, I think the "bug" of not being able to delete individual posts should be fixed. Marking the post or topic as "deleted" is not a good solution in my opinion ... it's just a bad workaround.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 7:12 am    Post subject:
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Frank Yaeger wrote:
I don't understand. Are we talking about NOT deleting entire Topics or not deleting individual posts in a Topic? We should be able to delete an individual post in a Topic without deleting the Topic. If we can't do that, I'd consider it a bug.]
Frank, there are two deletes, topic and post, and they both seem to do what they should. I just tested the delete post and it is working just fine. I would think that (baring a bug) somebody is just a little too heavy-handed (as we all are guilty of once in a while...grin...).
As far as deleting entire posts, I personally think that if responses have been started, it shouldn't be done, there have been several good alternatives posted prior that could deal with any offensive or inappropriate postings and though I haven't tried it yet, there is a facility for "merging" threads to take of duplicates.
I too have discovered posts mysteriously gone, and I agree that it is a bit frustrating, especially for someone like you who does so much volume. Oh, by the way, thanks for the "pat on the head"
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Well, like William says, you could simplify this to always put +41 in binary into 282-283 with these DFSORT statements
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 8:32 pm    Post subject:
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We should be able to delete an individual post in a Topic without deleting the Topic. If we can't do that, I'd consider it a bug.


No Frank, you can delete the posts without touching the Topic.
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