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Why DFSORT over SYNCSORT?

 
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priya

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:03 pm    Post subject: Why DFSORT over SYNCSORT?
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Dear Folks,


In our site we have syncsort and we are using it for all our sorting purposes. I feel all the facilities svailable in DFsort is also there in Syncsort.. Then why we need that? Can you give me brief comparison between SyncSort and DFsort. I feel it may useful for jobseekers also!
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Frank Yaeger

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:51 pm    Post subject:
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I feel all the facilities available in DFsort is also there in Syncsort..


Not true. DFSORT has significant functions that are NOT available in Syncsort (e.g. IFTHEN, OVERLAY, UFF, SFF, DCn, DEn, TCn, TEn, COUNT+n, COUNT-n, larger numbers and constants, etc). In the past, DFSORT has added important features that Syncsort did not "copy" for years, if at all. DFSORT's documentation is available online. Syncsort's isn't. DFSORT's ICETOOL is a fully documented, fully supported feature of DFSORT (has been since 1991). Syncsort's SYNCTOOL is undocumented, unsupported code in Syncsort, and only has a subset of the functions available with DFSORT's ICETOOL. I could go on, but ...

If you, or anyone else, on this list would like some documents prepared by the DFSORT Team that discuss what we see as the advantages of DFSORT over Syncsort, as well as considerations for migrating from Syncsort to DFSORT, send me a note offline (yaeger@us.ibm.com). Please put "DFSORT" somewhere in your Subject line to catch my attention.
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priya

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 3:20 am    Post subject: Thanks
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Thanks a lot Yeager...

But what about the cost of DFSORT comparing to SYNCSORT.
Anyway DFSORT is an IBM product, So I am also interested to learn... Please send me the documents
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Frank Yaeger

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 3:40 am    Post subject:
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what about the cost of DFSORT comparing to SYNCSORT.


I'm a DFSORT developer, not a salesman, so I don't get involved in pricing. But I do know that the price for the two products can vary depending on various factors, and I have heard that Syncsort's price went up considerably for their z/OS product - DFSORT's price did not, and some customers decided to switch to DFSORT at that point based on costs and other factors. But you'd have to get an actual quote from each vendor to compare the real prices of the two products for your shop.

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Please send me the documents to my PM, if possible


Please send me your e-mail address and I'll send you the documents.
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mcmillan

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 7:42 pm    Post subject: Re
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If you are new to DFSORT we would suggest you, go through "DFSORT: Getting Started". It's an excellent tutorial, with lots of examples, that will teach you how to use DFSORT, DFSORT's ICETOOL and DFSORT Symbols. You can access "DFSORT: Getting Started" and all of the other DFSORT books and papers online from:

www.ibm.com/servers/storage/support/software/sort/mvs/srtmpub.html
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Frank Yaeger

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 11:27 pm    Post subject:
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anandhakrishna

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply to: Why DFSORT?
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Dear Team,

In one of our mainframe shops , we are planning to change Syncsort to Dfsort .

Kindly give us some docs wrt the differences , benchmarks and approximate licensing benefits.
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Rohit Umarjikar

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 6:37 pm    Post subject:
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Why would you wanted to reinstate 9 years old topic? Please create a new one.
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anandhakrishna

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply to: Why DFSORT?
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Hi Rohit,

I just browsed and came to view this topic and thereby posted. Could you pls reply if you have a valid answer.

Thanks
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magesh23586

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply to: Why DFSORT?
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Check the following link for "(the DFSORT hotline)". You may get an email id.

Not sure if i am authorized to post that email id... so i am just posting the link for you.

http://ibmmainframes.com/about56516.html

It may not be a correct contact, but you will surely get a right directions.
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Rohit Umarjikar

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 7:41 pm    Post subject:
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I just browsed and came to view this topic and thereby posted. Could you pls reply if you have a valid answer.


We appreciate you browsed but I thought you have read the forum Rules, but appently you did not.

Also, if anyone has a valid answers they too do not wants to encourage and violates the rules.
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Bill Woodger

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply to: Why DFSORT?
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You will have two suppliers falling over themselves to help you: one to keep getting your money (even if it is less), the other to start getting your money. Use that situation.

Benchmarking only makes sense with your data, the way you use it now, and the way you want to use it in the future.

Licensing you talk to the interested parties about. I'd not be surprised if your current supplier were to offer a better deal if they discover your interest in transferring to a competitor. Licensing can be very specific, so you need to know about your site.
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steve-myers

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 20, 2014 10:24 am    Post subject:
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What I do know is both sort products are superb. They have kept each other on their toes; as a result both products are much better than they would be if either one had a monopoly or near monopoly. As far as I know the sole competition is CA-Sort, which neither Syncsort or DFSort appears to regard as serious competition.

Mr. Woodger's idea to play them together to get a better deal is reasonable and realistic. Actually, provided you can afford it, license both products, and play them together for a few years. Once you have real data from your own experience, then make your choice. Forget a better "deal." Sort can be very resource intensive; the better "deal" is the least resource intensive product.

My guess is DFSort's documentation is better; but it's been roughly 20 years since I saw Syncsort documentation, so my guess is not based on anything resembling hard data or current data. If you have both products you can evaluate current documentation. Unfortunately, "better" documentation is very subjective.

Good luck.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 5:21 pm    Post subject:
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When I decided to start using SYNCTOOL, Syncsorts version of ICETOOL, I could not find any documentation.

I contact our Syncsort representative, and was informed that SYNCTOOL works EXACTLY like ICETOOL, so they do not have any documentation. She referred me to IBM's documentation.

Yikes, talk about cheesy. They used the manual, reverse engineered the product, and then sells licences with out providing their own manual.
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